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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Great opinion piece in the Jewish chronicle.

19 replies

Rainbowshit · 06/01/2024 10:30

This guy gets it.

www.jewishnews.co.uk/opinion-the-wilful-erasure-of-hard-fought-desperately-needed-sex-based-rights/

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Froodwithatowel · 06/01/2024 10:48

Good article, clearly stated.

I find the tag line at the bottom extremely sad though: that the journalist is writing in a personal capacity. The distancing from protecting women's rights, always there and scared.

PikesPeaked · 06/01/2024 11:12

He totally does. Why do so many of the leadership of Progressive Judaism movements not get it?

He does not list sources, though, so woke Progressives and uncertain readers can easily dismiss his statements of proven facts as unsubstantiated propaganda.

BubbleBubbleBubbleBubblePop · 06/01/2024 11:20

That was a very clear, easy read. Great article.

StephanieSuperpowers · 06/01/2024 11:21

Wow. That's spot on.

IcakethereforeIam · 06/01/2024 11:45

Great article. Thanks for posting it but, eek!, tw full face of EI at the top in full (bit of lippy) 'girl mode'.

PaterPower · 06/01/2024 12:07

Succinct article. Like PP have said, it’s a shame they felt the disclaimer needed to be added, although I assume they do that for all opinion pieces.

PaterPower · 06/01/2024 12:09

IcakethereforeIam · 06/01/2024 11:45

Great article. Thanks for posting it but, eek!, tw full face of EI at the top in full (bit of lippy) 'girl mode'.

Could have been worse - they could have chosen the Isla Bryson ‘leggings’ shot to illustrate it.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 06/01/2024 13:00

Excellent article. Nothing surprising or new to the posters here, but a good summary and cleanly expressed. And hopefully somewhere it will reach a fresh audience.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/01/2024 14:00

A very good clear article that will be deemed as transphobic by some. Which demonstrates just how right he is.

YouJustDoYou · 06/01/2024 14:02

Brilliantly written.

PikesPeaked · 06/01/2024 14:34

BTW that's not the Jewish Chronicle.

The writer is not a journalist for this particular online newspaper, hence the disclaimer.

PurpleChrayne · 06/01/2024 14:41

PikesPeaked · 06/01/2024 11:12

He totally does. Why do so many of the leadership of Progressive Judaism movements not get it?

He does not list sources, though, so woke Progressives and uncertain readers can easily dismiss his statements of proven facts as unsubstantiated propaganda.

Reform Judaism's take on gender has been a huge disappointment. Due to its stance, I have moved over to Orthodoxy. Not a decision I ever thought I'd make, but I don't want my children being asked if they feel like girls or boys at cheder.

PikesPeaked · 06/01/2024 15:17

And I moved to Reform for their egalitarianism and inclusivity!

That was before some became so woke that their brains and their Yiddishkeit dribbled out of their hyper-inclusive heads. I will remain Reform and I will remain Gender Critical. And I can assure you that there are many more like me within my community.

UtopiaPlanitia · 06/01/2024 15:35

As far as I’m aware, I think the comedian Josh Howie writes for the Jewish Chronicle and I know he’s firmly GC. I’ve seen him on Andrew Doyle’s shows and Josh seems passionately in favour of protecting women’s spaces and rights. He’s also very clued in about AGP and lots of other aspects of women’s concerns. I think he must read FWR and books like Helen Joyce’s. It’s so refreshing and heartening to see left-wing men like Josh and Andrew defending women’s rights 😊

IwantToRetire · 06/01/2024 22:28

I saw the disclaimer and then wondered if it is to do with his current place of work. the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre

A quick search shows they haven't really covered this as an issue!

But agree its a good article, but so sad that what to many of us seems so basic and so obvious, has to be written

I couldn't see any comments, but maybe the paper doesn't do that. I wonder if they will receive letters / emails in response, or find out that most of their readers dont care either way. As is the case with most papers.

Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_Israel_Communications_and_Research_Centre

Appalonia · 06/01/2024 22:39

A great article, with some good examples of why this is a problem. Its one I feel I could send to someone who didn't know much about this issue.

Also, the comment the Rabbi got criticised for ( We have to treat transgender people with the utmost kindness and respect, and accommodate them legally, but they must not be allowed to displace women’s rights.’ ) was very reminiscent of what JK Rowling was censured for. A totally fair and reasonable thing to say.

Switcher · 06/01/2024 22:44

I actually don't think it's a helpful article. It reads like a replay of the most scurrilous corners of Twitter, which they can then claim are just GC slurs etc.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 06/01/2024 22:53

?

Which bits are scurrilous?

IwantToRetire · 07/01/2024 01:16

This is the article that the OP's link was a response to:

“We have to treat transgender people with the utmost kindness and respect, and accommodate them legally, but they must not be allowed to displace women’s rights,” Solomons added.

The rabbi from Reading replied to others who were offended saying “Nobody can change sex,” and “He’s a bloke in women’s clothes who uses women’s single sex spaces. Don’t you think that’s problematic?”

In another tweet Solomons said “If rabbis don’t speak up for women and girls then who will? You don’t have to be female to realise that males using female only facilities, males in female sport, males in women’s changing rooms, males demanding female medicine is problematic. Not to mention the gaslighting.”

David Davidi-Brown, chief executive of the New Israel Fund UK, lashed out at Solomons, saying :“This is shameful and an abdication of their pastoral duty and moral leadership,” while calling on Chief Rabbi Mirvis to “demonstrate zero tolerance for this hateful prejudice.”

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/appalled-and-disgusted-rabbi-accused-of-transphobia-over-eddie-izzard-tweet/

Earlier in the article it says

“If you think this is a man, Retweet. If you think it’s a woman, like,” Solomons’ tweet read, receiving 625 likes and 3,475 retweets as of Wednesday night.

Which implies 85% agreed that Eddie Izzard is a man.

And yet because one person complained the newspaper ran an article about how it is transphobic to say a man dressed as a woman is still a man.

So OPs article is maybe as much a reply to the slant of the original article.

‘Appalled and disgusted’: Rabbi accused of transphobia over Eddie Izzard tweet

Rabbi Solomons told Jewish News transgender people should be treated with kindness but nobody can change sex.

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/appalled-and-disgusted-rabbi-accused-of-transphobia-over-eddie-izzard-tweet

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