What do you think about Prince Andrew?

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Sexual exploitation of women and girls used to be saucy (think Carry On movies, the Playboy Mansion or seaside postcards) and no-one wanted to think about the power imbalance apart from hairy feminists.

Now we know that Epstein was a sex trafficker, the media and the public think that every man who met him must have known about it and is therefore equally vile.

It's not as though misogyny has gone away though. Daily Mail articles about teen pregnancy for example attract highly rated comments about those slutty girls.

Why the discrepancy? Everyone seems to suffer the same kind of magical thinking - that every individual has perfect knowledge and perfect autonomy. The hard-of-thinking celebrity who gropes a pretty girl (or worse) and thinks its all good clean consensual fun? Definitely a p@#£do.The devious fourteen year-old, plotting her way to a cushy life on benefits? Definitely couldn't be a victim. Always think the worst of everyone.

Not sorry for Andrew, except insofar as he's a careless wielder of unconscious privilege who probably still doesn't get what he did wrong. But frustrated by the portrayal of misogyny as a parade of pantomime villains rather than the everyday menace that women all know about.

He's just another dick that thinks the whole world should revolve around his cock like it's made of solid diamonds, the prick.

I might get modded if I said what I really thought about any man or woman on any list involving Epstein... Let me put it this way..
I'd like to "Tickle" the mens "Coin purses" repeatedly with a couple of breeze "cushions"

And don't dismiss my seriousness, though I use jovial language.

They should all go through excruciating pain from now until the day they die..
Anyone that knew what he was and what he did and didn't report the sick fucker.

Whether they see him or not, wherever he lives, I would have thought the RF would have the common sense to make sure he is not pictured with them walking back from church on Christmas day, etc etc. The fact they dont indicates they really dont think he has done anything wrong. And that is problematic.

I'm bored of the Epstein business. I think the constant accusations of anyone he ever spoke to being in some way connected to a paedophile ring is juvenile and moronic.

I would just like to suggest, in response to this and to go with my post above.

Epstein and Maxwell may have been the ones that have been 'punished'
BUT - Every single perso who had ANY knowledge was 100% complicit in allowing it and should be punished.
Same as anyone that knew about Seville and did nothing, silence is permission.
Just like Couzens, if someone knew he was a rapist and did nothing, they should be punished for being complicit.

It angers me so much that sick fucks can be sick fucks and still have friends and family supporting them, which makes those friends and family equally as fucking sick and should be thrown into a pool of molten... "Feathers and pillows"

@lechiffre55

L.o.l 🤣 with his extremely rare medical disorder of inability to sweat Prince Andrew comment...

I think fundamentally he is just a self-indulgent person who has little self-discipline , at least in significant areas of his life.

Some of that is from the environment he grew up in I am sure. I have some sympathy for guys who grow up in an atmosphere where there are always hundreds of girls who want to shag them even if they are acting like knobs, in that I think it can be quite difficult to learn what normal boundaries are. So they can be prone to misjudging what women are actually thinking or feeling.

He's an indulged, entitled misogynist creep.

Indeed, @ArcaneWireless - it's a puzzler!

I think Prince Andrew is 8th in line as your Head of State, but that if Prince Harry decides he's staying out permanently, Andrew moves up to 5th place. He's going to continue to be cossetted and protected.

Harry cannot remove himself from the line of succession without an Act of Parliament, either for himself or his children.
In any case, he and Meghan are royalists (see their use of titles for themselves and their children) I doubt very much that they would ever set that ball rolling.

@Str8talkin I don't particularly believe a lot of what Guiffre claims and fail to see how she's anything other than a call girl.

Are you joking? In that photo with PA she looks like someone’s young teenage niece who’s been allowed to go to the adults’ party and meet someone important. She was so young. You can’t be serious.

Well then keep him out of public occasions while he's there.

Exactly. As I have already said, I think some of the evidence around Virginia Guiffre and her accounts is questionable but his behaviours around Epstein are not.
His behaviours have put the Royal Family in an extremely difficult position. HM The Queen felt she had to act to protect the Monarchy. His stupid, greedy, arrogance and entitlement and appalling judgement are unforgivable in terms of the damage he has done.

How much worse than that it is remains to be proven.

The RF have taken half a stand. It is time The King and they stepped up to remove him completely from any public view. It appears they are happy to publicly support him and they think that's fine with us. It certainly isn't with me. I never want to see him publicly again. I can not bear to see him arriving at events and clergy and others bowing to him and treating him as if he's a someone of status. He is a disgrace at best and possibly something much worse.He does not deserve public and civic respect.

I agree, @LuluBlakey1 and I think his own lack of self awareness on this is beyond belief.

Yes, totally lacking in self-awareness, can not seem to grasp 'the feel of the room'.

We don’t want him in Scotland thanks

Even if he thinks he's not in the wrong, why doesn't he care about the damage done to his family? To the Monarchy? What an arrogant, entitled fool.

It’s totally inappropriate to refer to Guiffre as a call girl. She probably ended up as one- I don’t know about that. A 17yr old isn’t a call girl, and she wasn’t one then even if those around her couldn’t recognise that.

This is kind of where I was going with the 'slutty pregnant teens' comparison. Yes, everyone has free will. But some are freer than others.

Scotland! What have Scotland ever done to deserve him? Unless you mean an uninhabited island off the Hebrides, in which case ok.

Unless you mean an uninhabited island off the Hebrides, in which case ok.

Still no.

At the moment I have far more need of that than him.

Does anyone know the location of Epstein's Island?

I think H&M’s main gripe with the line of succession is that it doesn’t flex to accommodate their perception of what is owed. They have a point, it’s kind of the whole point though.

HottestEverRecordedTemperature my DH met PA through work too. He came home and told me what an arrogant,unpleasant character he was. DH is no Royalist,but found the late Queen,Duke of Edinburgh charming and courteous/ funny. From other family member's experience,the King was very good company and down to earth.
I've yet to meet anyone who has met PA and had a good word to say about him.

He was always rich, spoilt and massively indulged when he was young. When he grew up he had people hanging on to his lightest word.

That's a very unfortunate combination and unless the person is intelligent and highly principalled, (neither applies to Andrew), it will inevitably lead to trouble.

He is as much a victim of his own circumstances as are less privileged people.

Being royal doesn't excuse his behaviour, but goes a long way to explaining it.