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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NMC UPDATE

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Whiskywinter · 04/01/2024 11:53

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe2yN7jW/

sex can change apparently

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Signalbox · 06/01/2024 09:07

TheClogLady · 05/01/2024 19:42

Thanks for trying tho @Whiskywinter - I hope someone reports her to the NMC for her lack of professionalism on social media and her clear prejudice against people who believe in material reality.

I suspect they'll be deluged with reports. I also suspect the response will be that she's entitled to her opinion. The NMC Hearings Management might be more interested. If she gains notoriety due to her bigoted views against a protected group then that will make things difficult for them.

CormorantStrikesBack · 06/01/2024 09:18

Signalbox · 06/01/2024 08:03

It’s surprising that she has fitness to practise history though if she is sitting as a fitness to practise panelist.

What was she up before a panel for? I’ve tried googling and it just brings up cases where she was on the panel, not anything about her being in trouble herself.

Signalbox · 06/01/2024 09:54

CormorantStrikesBack · 06/01/2024 09:18

What was she up before a panel for? I’ve tried googling and it just brings up cases where she was on the panel, not anything about her being in trouble herself.

Presumably it was a relatively minor fitness to practice issue. If it had been dishonesty or anything serious I can't imagine she would able to sit as a panelist. It's 10 years ago so the information wouldn't be online now (unless it was a news story). The determination would have been published (unless it was related to her health) online at the time and remained (I think) for the duration of the order or sanction. Here's their guidance on publication...

https://www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets/sitedocuments/ftp_information/publication-guidance.pdf

https://www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets/sitedocuments/ftp_information/publication-guidance.pdf

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Signalbox · 06/01/2024 09:57

Whiskywinter · 06/01/2024 09:55

Thanks Whiskywinter

Signalbox · 06/01/2024 10:00

Signalbox · 06/01/2024 09:54

Presumably it was a relatively minor fitness to practice issue. If it had been dishonesty or anything serious I can't imagine she would able to sit as a panelist. It's 10 years ago so the information wouldn't be online now (unless it was a news story). The determination would have been published (unless it was related to her health) online at the time and remained (I think) for the duration of the order or sanction. Here's their guidance on publication...

https://www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets/sitedocuments/ftp_information/publication-guidance.pdf

The guidance has an interesting section on gender recognition. Seems the NMC are using "sex assigned at birth" terminology. Honestly, does the regulator of midwives truly believe that sex is assigned at birth?

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ArabellaScott · 06/01/2024 11:00

Signalbox · 06/01/2024 09:54

Presumably it was a relatively minor fitness to practice issue. If it had been dishonesty or anything serious I can't imagine she would able to sit as a panelist. It's 10 years ago so the information wouldn't be online now (unless it was a news story). The determination would have been published (unless it was related to her health) online at the time and remained (I think) for the duration of the order or sanction. Here's their guidance on publication...

https://www.nmc.org.uk/globalassets/sitedocuments/ftp_information/publication-guidance.pdf

She said in a comment it was related to her health.

Signalbox · 06/01/2024 11:11

ArabellaScott · 06/01/2024 11:00

She said in a comment it was related to her health.

Oh ok so that would not have been a public determination.

TheClogLady · 06/01/2024 12:18

Signalbox · 06/01/2024 10:00

The guidance has an interesting section on gender recognition. Seems the NMC are using "sex assigned at birth" terminology. Honestly, does the regulator of midwives truly believe that sex is assigned at birth?

Wow! What a responsibility! If sex is assigned at birth it must be the midwives in charge of assigning it, right?

Absolute batshittery.

Mumoftwo1312 · 06/01/2024 15:34

TheClogLady · 06/01/2024 12:18

Wow! What a responsibility! If sex is assigned at birth it must be the midwives in charge of assigning it, right?

Absolute batshittery.

It absolutely is bonkers, isn't it.

I must have met about 20 different midwives in my recent pregnancy (a lot of turnover and illness in my midwife team) and the first question they tended to ask, as small talk or to put me at ease, was "do you know what you're having" (ie sex of baby).

In fact, so did friends/acquaintances. Literally I'd turn up visibly pregnant to a cafe and the batista would ask how far along I am and do I know what I'm having.

Literally no one thinks the sex is unidentifiable until birth. No one. It's just another in the long list of "things we pretend we don't obviously know" in this ideology

SaffronSpice · 06/01/2024 19:25

Not only is it crazy to suggest birth is assigned at birth, it is dangerous too. There are numerous sex-linked conditions that can run in families that everyone should be aware of before birth.

Mumoftwo1312 · 06/01/2024 20:28

Nobody actually literally believes sex is assigned at birth. That's why they're all happy asking pregnant women "do you know if you're having a boy or a girl". Just like they don't believe men (actual men) can be mothers, or that people can actually change sex, or that women can be rapists, or that women just need to try harder not to be outrun/outcycled/outweightlifted by men.

No one actually believes it. No one. They just think it's kinder to pretend they believe it, and kind to insist others pretend.

FannyCann · 06/01/2024 20:59

With her finger wagging and the glasses, the eye rolls and exaggerated "smile" I find her a very scary character.
A cross between one of the cast of The Witches and Edna Everage.

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Signalbox · 07/01/2024 10:05

FannyCann · 06/01/2024 20:59

With her finger wagging and the glasses, the eye rolls and exaggerated "smile" I find her a very scary character.
A cross between one of the cast of The Witches and Edna Everage.

She’d make a great Delores Umbridge too. Sitting in judgement of others. The power is going to her head.

Bosky · 07/01/2024 14:54

Anyone thinking of reporting that dangerous lunatic, download the videos you want to report so you have got a record. She might well go private or delete them. If you don’t know how, just search for “Download TikTok video”.

ArabellaScott · 07/01/2024 16:11

Bosky · 07/01/2024 14:54

Anyone thinking of reporting that dangerous lunatic, download the videos you want to report so you have got a record. She might well go private or delete them. If you don’t know how, just search for “Download TikTok video”.

WinX downloader works for tiktok.

CervixSampler · 07/01/2024 16:15

Just when I was thinking of returning to nursing. I can't deal with this shit. We all know you can't change sex. I won't be gaslighted by my professional body.

RethinkingLife · 08/01/2024 16:16

I think this is supposed to be reassuring. However, I'd need to know the standard of evidence for "intentional mis-gendering" in case it is too close to 'perceived' in non-crime hate incidents etc. (NB: how often do people vow outside formal settings and ceremonies these days?)

Nurses and midwives could face being struck off for intentionally mis-gendering patients.
Guidelines from the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) regulator tells medics how they can 'express their beliefs appropriately' and when they run the risk of a sanction.
Under its latest update, it includes one example where a midwife who believes the Government is destroying the health service shares their opinion at a dinner.
Regulators would only take action if said midwife vowed to treat patients differently based on their political view

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12931079/Nurses-midwives-face-struck-mis-gendering-patients.html

Nurses and midwives face being struck off for mis-gendering patients

Britain's regulator for nurses and midwives has come under fire for saying it would investigate those who mis-gendered a patient as part of new guidelines on 'expressing beliefs appropriately'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12931079/Nurses-midwives-face-struck-mis-gendering-patients.html

CormorantStrikesBack · 08/01/2024 16:57

However, I'd need to know the standard of evidence for "intentional mis-gendering"

its whatever Delores Umbridge says it is when she’s on your panel.

IcakethereforeIam · 08/01/2024 18:27

Thanks for posting the DM piece, the quote at the end (apart from the DSD bit) was spot on.

I'm really irritated by those glasses. Ostentatiously 'look at me' specs. Possibly she thinks they look nice.

I wonder if Gary Larson is still drawing cartoons?

TheClogLady · 08/01/2024 23:44

Alas, no gif!

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ArabellaScott · 09/01/2024 13:24

Oh, wow, brilliant!!!

RethinkingLife · 09/01/2024 14:52

Signalbox · 09/01/2024 13:12

Related news...

Rachel Meade has won against her regulator SWE.
The NMC will need to watch out!

https://www.colekhan.co.uk/news/uvzuy6kcrtb5lwg59pxbs44tqbeuj2

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Simultaneously relieved for her and profoundly irritated that
women's rights | freedom of thought and speech
need to be expensively asserted whereas it seems to have cost nothing to remove them.

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