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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NMC UPDATE

100 replies

Whiskywinter · 04/01/2024 11:53

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe2yN7jW/

sex can change apparently

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Helleofabore · 04/01/2024 14:13

Whiskywinter · 04/01/2024 13:55

I’m in complete agreement but her comment on tik tok is actually referring to a male person in a maternity delivery unit.

I am referring to her answer to a comment under her video. Where she infers that male patients getting uterine ‘transplants’ will be on the gynae ward.

Whiskywinter · 04/01/2024 14:17

Helleofabore · 04/01/2024 14:13

I am referring to her answer to a comment under her video. Where she infers that male patients getting uterine ‘transplants’ will be on the gynae ward.

Psst I am the person she was replying to on the tik tok.

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ditalini · 04/01/2024 14:41

I thought the Tiktok was fine apart from the change sex bit, but she's really overreaching in the comments.

When she posted the "proof" that humans could change sex, I was confused - had she pasted in the wrong link by mistake? This was a woolly comment piece, not a study showing a scientific breakthrough where sex had been demonstrated to change in a human.

Then I realised that the "evidence" was that if we change the meaning of the word sex to include boob jobs and testosterone injections - tada!

I would counsel her as she counsels others: make sure that the expression of your beliefs don't inadvertently lead to poorer practice and bringing the profession into disrepute.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 04/01/2024 14:47

@Mumoftwo1312 Thank you, I didn't know that. That's so weird though, my QTS certificate says GTC on it and it was issued in 2014! I wonder if they just hadn't used up all the headed paper yet what with all of Gove's budget cuts...
(sorry for the derail everyone).

Mumoftwo1312 · 04/01/2024 14:58

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 04/01/2024 14:47

@Mumoftwo1312 Thank you, I didn't know that. That's so weird though, my QTS certificate says GTC on it and it was issued in 2014! I wonder if they just hadn't used up all the headed paper yet what with all of Gove's budget cuts...
(sorry for the derail everyone).

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Haha these official bodies don't seem to know their right hand from their left sometimes! I guess I'm including the NMC in that!

I'm going to sound the judgiest of all, but surely, good midwives are too busy doing the actual midwifery. Inadequate midwives pontificate on tiktok...?

RoyalCorgi · 04/01/2024 14:59

Dr Sally is a midwife - of all people you'd think she would know about sex.

I find it terrifying that someone who is that ignorant about the human body should be in a position of such responsibility. I just hope she's not allowed anywhere near actual women having babies.

Whiskywinter · 04/01/2024 15:06

RoyalCorgi · 04/01/2024 14:59

Dr Sally is a midwife - of all people you'd think she would know about sex.

I find it terrifying that someone who is that ignorant about the human body should be in a position of such responsibility. I just hope she's not allowed anywhere near actual women having babies.

They also are part of the NMC which has a code of conduct that all nurses and midwives must adhere to.

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SauvignonBlanche · 04/01/2024 15:06

The linked paper doesn’t back up her argument at all 🙄

Whiskywinter · 04/01/2024 15:07

Mumoftwo1312 · 04/01/2024 14:58

Haha these official bodies don't seem to know their right hand from their left sometimes! I guess I'm including the NMC in that!

I'm going to sound the judgiest of all, but surely, good midwives are too busy doing the actual midwifery. Inadequate midwives pontificate on tiktok...?

They also are part of the NMC which has a code of conduct that all nurses and midwives must adhere to.

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catduckgoose · 04/01/2024 15:08

Turns out she wasn't thinking about this at all until some trans activists responded to one of her surveys to berate her for talking about women.

From her 2019 paper 'They/them' in the birth room:

As a project progresses, significant themes can emerge which enable one to reflect and discover new directions for future research. As we recently launched our international survey asking women with conditions relating to hEDS/HSD about their childbearing outcomes and experiences of maternity services, we were eager to watch the data flood in. We also shared our recruitment details far and wide, asking others to share the survey link with their peers. Yet the online health community quickly responded with insights in relation to who we were asking and why. Broadly, comments were made along the lines of:

"It’s not only women who give birth you know!"

"You may get more responses by using more inclusive language!"

Hence, we began to reflect on how and whether we should have phrased our survey to be more inclusive of those having babies who do not identify as women.

HelenFisksBrownSuit · 04/01/2024 15:21

I know two midwives and both are gender ideologues.

PermanentTemporary · 04/01/2024 15:32

I can imagine at least starting to buy into this as a midwife, because I think I would feel the intense vulnerability of women who have transitioned (transmen), who obviously will frequently have other challenges such as neurodiversity, inability to breast feed if post masrectomy, other mental health issues. If you base your life around supporting women, you would feel that need to support these women too. It's just really odd that they end up stating obvious untruths and focusing on transphobes in the workplace. I think there are other ways.

ditalini · 04/01/2024 15:38

PermanentTemporary · 04/01/2024 15:32

I can imagine at least starting to buy into this as a midwife, because I think I would feel the intense vulnerability of women who have transitioned (transmen), who obviously will frequently have other challenges such as neurodiversity, inability to breast feed if post masrectomy, other mental health issues. If you base your life around supporting women, you would feel that need to support these women too. It's just really odd that they end up stating obvious untruths and focusing on transphobes in the workplace. I think there are other ways.

Yes, I know quite a few midwives and they're all very woman-centred in their practice.

This would absolutely include those who identify as other gender identities, including care that works with how they relate to their bodies and use of requested personal pronouns for those people.

Jellycats4life · 04/01/2024 15:46

I think there’s a huge amount of peer indoctrination and peer pressure about gender when it comes to people working in the “birth world”.

Especially those of a crunchy disposition - midwives, doulas and mothers alike. Anyone who tends towards the alternative end of the mothering spectrum (the sling/cloth nappy women, who tend to also be huge advocates of extended breastfeeding, and other non-mainstream approaches) who also tend to be of the left politically, quite hippyish etc.

A friend of mine has a sling business and for a brief time was sharing a lot of gender-y stuff of social media. I was a bit crushed actually, because she’s lovely and I knew she was simply resharing content that her peers and colleagues were sharing. Because that’s what you did. I couldn’t believe that she believed it.

A year or two later and we spoke about gender ideology. She admittedly she’d kind of sleepwalked into wokeness purely because of the circles she moved in, and hadn’t thought about it deeply enough herself.

CormorantStrikesBack · 04/01/2024 15:48

I knew which midwife this would be before I opened it. Believe me the majority of midwives wouldn’t agree.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 04/01/2024 16:03

Recites feminist mantra...
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
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I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.

But then again... I am preparing lecture notes on statistical machine learning and am now idly wondering if anyone has identified a statistical association between deliberately unnatural hair colouring on professional people and obviously barking attitudes to science.

ditalini · 04/01/2024 16:09

ditalini · 04/01/2024 15:38

Yes, I know quite a few midwives and they're all very woman-centred in their practice.

This would absolutely include those who identify as other gender identities, including care that works with how they relate to their bodies and use of requested personal pronouns for those people.

I should have been clear that this doesn't mean not using the correct language for sex, just a willingness to use additive terms when appropriate.

I think most midwives are aware that women can have issues with their bodies during pregnancy and birth for a whole host of reasons, and gender identity is just one in a list of reasons (disability, fgm, abuse, eating disorders etc etc etc) why there may need to be special care taken.

What's odd is that it's the only reason where there's been a campaign to change the language of all care.

ArabellaScott · 04/01/2024 16:51

CormorantStrikesBack · 04/01/2024 15:48

I knew which midwife this would be before I opened it. Believe me the majority of midwives wouldn’t agree.

I'd absolutely love to see a survey of midwives on 'gender' issues.

Be a bit like a poll on papal religious leanings.

Signalbox · 04/01/2024 17:17

GC people, and NMC registrants in particular, need to remember this woman's name.

Sally Pezaro believes gender critical views "are / can be harmful or turn into harmful behaviours or acts against people and be used to discriminate and oppress people and also widen inequalities"

If you are an NMC registrant and you are ever faced with a fitness to practise hearing due to your GC beliefs then this woman should not be on the panel hearing your case. She has a clear and publicly stated bias against GC people.

ArabellaScott · 04/01/2024 17:43

Signalbox · 04/01/2024 17:17

GC people, and NMC registrants in particular, need to remember this woman's name.

Sally Pezaro believes gender critical views "are / can be harmful or turn into harmful behaviours or acts against people and be used to discriminate and oppress people and also widen inequalities"

If you are an NMC registrant and you are ever faced with a fitness to practise hearing due to your GC beliefs then this woman should not be on the panel hearing your case. She has a clear and publicly stated bias against GC people.

Yes. I'm wondering how this is allowed, tbh.

Signalbox · 04/01/2024 18:31

ArabellaScott · 04/01/2024 17:43

Yes. I'm wondering how this is allowed, tbh.

The hearings team are probably unaware (although that’s about to change) of her TikTok activism. If you sit on a fitness to practice panel you are supposed to make a yearly declaration of interest (any potential conflicts of interest). Her entry is pretty sparse. It doesn’t indicate that she is a content provider on TikTok who publishes content under her own name and clearly states that she is an NMC registrant and an NMC FtoP panelist who opines about NMC guidance and FtoP. It is ironic that by disparaging GC views she is potentially in breach of the very guidance that she claims to be explaining to her followers.

Delphinium20 · 04/01/2024 18:50

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 04/01/2024 16:03

Recites feminist mantra...
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.
I will not judge a woman by her hairdo.

But then again... I am preparing lecture notes on statistical machine learning and am now idly wondering if anyone has identified a statistical association between deliberately unnatural hair colouring on professional people and obviously barking attitudes to science.

I wish I could remember her name, but years ago, at least 13-14 years, a very stylish TV host of a fashion show dyed her hair a blue color. She was Korean-American so the deep blue really was striking with her dark brown eyes. She was also a very smart dresser and always looked like the best ensemble woman in the room who could fit into fashion week in Paris. I admired her hair color and cut so much that I wanted to try it myself if I ever left my formal corporate job.

Well, now I'm a happy freelancer but, sadly due to how the blue-hair brigade represents idiot adult-children rather than stylish, smart women, I can no longer live my dream of cool blue hair, cause it just isn't anymore. :(

ChishiyaBat · 04/01/2024 18:59

@Delphinium20 don't worry blue is a nightmare to upkeep😂. Seriously though i've been colouring my hair every colour in the rainbow since 1994 and I still do, i'm currently half violet and half green balayaged, blues and greens have always been my favourite. I will never give up my hair colour, plus it's fun when they think you are going to agree with them and then don't😂.