More than 70 children aged three and four were sent to Tavistock transgender clinic

[fromorbit]

Even worse than we thought according to the latest findings:

In total, 382 children aged six and under were referred to the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) run by the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust in north London...
A spokesman for the Tavistock said: ‘The GIDS pathway provides psychological assessment, treatment, and support for families, so we are unable to provide figures on those who have undergone physical interventions.
“The outcome of gender identity development in younger pre-pubertal young people is uncertain and so “treatment” is not provided.
“Most often there would be a one-off discussion with the parents/carers to provide support and advice.”

Telegraph article:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/26/tavistock-transgender-clinic-children-aged-three-nhs/

Remember common practices in the Tavistock are probably still going on in Scotland and Wales.

In recent years, unfortunately GIDS has largely been staffed by HCPs, some of them trans-identifying themselves, who don't believe in watchful waiting and instead go for unquestioning immediate affirmation of a child's their own gender identity

So blatantly obvious that HCP’s thoughtlessly rushing into ‘affirming’ children is a process to validate and centre themselves. Whether that’s a GC HCP with a saviour complex or a GNC HCP who seeks to validate their own distorted beliefs. And yet no other HCP’s recognised or intervened until far too late.

I felt sick when I read that in the Daily Telegraph online this morning.

Needless to say the DT aren’t enabling comments. They tend not to for anything woke.

Needless to say I won’t be renewing my subscription with them.

*Lottapianos · Today 11:54

I hope the one off conversation involved telling the parents to get a grip and stop filling their small child's head with shite*

Absolutely this

Even the phrase "younger pre-pubertal young people" is an insidious euphemism for "small child" or "preschooler" imo. I would not describe my 3yo as a young person, even if that's technically true. It's too adultifying.

Compare these statements:

They psychologically assessed small children regarding their gender identity

They psychologically assessed younger pre pubertal young people regarding their gender identity

The first one is shocking and weird... the second one is vague and obscure and so not as shocking

Just pointing out that GIDS did not speak with a single voice. It's very clear from Time to Think that it was some very strong voices and experienced mental health professionals within GIDS who in the middle of an explosion of referrals, defined 'adolescent onset gender distress' as a new phenomenon in girls post 2010, resisted the suggestions that they should refer on for hormones quickly, were targeted personally for attack by Mermaids, and in fact were highly instrumental in team whistleblowing and in some positive policy changes. Let's not start a new narrative that these front line workers were somehow all a phalanx of unquestioning activists, because they weren't.

This year a mum friend of mine, who knows I'm a teacher and dealing with these issues (albeit at secondary level), messaged me to say her daughter's (Yr 5) best friends since reception is now longer a girl but a boy. Parents are supportive so school agreed to help with the transition. Child was 8 at the time (now 9). My DS (same age) was given £70 for his birthday - he hasn't spent it as I can't trust him to make responsible decisions to what he would spend it on. How can a child that age make a life affirming decision? Let alone at 4 (maybe skewed as DS is ASD and didn't speak at that age).

Needless to say I won’t be renewing my subscription with them.

Jantlet surely the Telegraph are reporting this rather than approving it? I had a look but couldn’t find the article.
Notmally the Telegraph are pretty sound on trans issues.

There are 657 comments under the Telegraph article.

I hope they gave their parents heads a bloody wobble, told them to stop being so sexist and let their child play with / wear whatever they like.

Horrifying

Yes

It's child abuse for sure. If any other religion advocated for medication, sterilisation, and amputation because a child didn't conform with societal norms, they'd be investigated by the police.

I don't think this detail is in the Telegraph (?) but in the Mail it says:

"Health Service bosses are now considering introducing a minimum age of seven for future patients on the grounds that younger children are unable to communicate meaningfully with medics about wanting to identify as the opposite sex."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12902319/Dozens-5s-referred-controversial-NHS-transgender-service-officials-consider-introducing-minimum-age-referrals.html

SEVEN YEAR OLDS STILL BELIEVE IN FATHER CHRISTMAS!!

Fucking hell what is wrong with people?!

3??? Utter insanity. Out of genuine interest I would like to know what has put a 3 year old into any kind of mental health clinic. I have small children, they genuinely believe they have met Santa 3 times this Christmas.

There are more than a few 'cool' parents who are choosing to put their children under a novel social experiment and raise them 'non binary' (which ironically concretes uncool gender stereotypes). Maybe this has had some influence on parents to get their children checked.

There are comments on this article

It's in the Times too

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/children-referred-transgender-clinic-nhs-transition-gender-m9v0330qs

https://archive.ph/ik8n3 archive link

What I found fascinating with DS was he was happy with all colours and toys until he was about four. Then he started to come home from nursery and then school saying X colour was for girls and x toy was for girls because X child had said so. He got bullied because he had long hair and we had to raise it.

We had to unpick all this and undermine those stereotypes.

It didn't come from us. It was coming from somewhere.

It's clearly coming from other parents via their children. We have a lot of work to do on sexism and it starts from birth.

It is so sad that sex stereotypes are still so prevalent. Ds2's favourite colour was pink until he went to pre school and he was told that 'pink was for girls', DS3 wanted a Frozen themed party for his 5th birthday but felt too much peer pressure so went for a Frozen and pirate party. Why we can not allow children to be children is beyond me.

It would be interesting to know exactly what percentage of these totally inappropriate referrals were made by activist groups, rather than medical professionals.

My money is on it being a number close to 100. If not 100%.

The 'sexism from birth' issue is very interesting. During my degree we watched videos of psychology experiments on how adults interact with babies / young toddlers. The different adults were told the same child was either male or female. The 'male' child was offered bricks, cars, etc and the 'female' was offered dolls. 'Male' crying was interpreted as them being angry the 'female' crying as them being 'scared'. The 'male' baby was encouraged to be adventurous the 'female' baby was more nurtured.

These experiments are now rather old and it would be interesting to see what adults would do now.

What I found fascinating with DS was he was happy with all colours and toys until he was about four. Then he started to come home from nursery and then school saying X colour was for girls and x toy was for girls because X child had said so.

As I understand it, this is a normal part of child development. It's when they understand that they are a boy or a girl, but they haven't yet understood that this is an unchangeable fact. They may still think that if they do things which are 'gendered' as for the opposite sex, they might actually change sex. There may also be a conforming aspect, that they think they 'should' do what is designated for their own sex.

Katie Alcock has written about this here:
https://archive.is/FQVF9

Now these days we are all anti-stereotyping and we are convinced we have not raised our children to know what sex stereotypes are. If the only influences on children were things people said directly to them, and especially things we as parents said directly to them, this might work out. But children don’t grow up in a vacuum — they see the other children at nursery, they see toys that other children play with, obviously they hear what other adults than their parents say but most of what children take in is not from people talking to them, but from what they see.

So when they see all the girls at nursery wearing pink and having long hair, well, that’s what girls do! And they also realise, from what people are saying, and from how their parents dress them, what toys they are given, and what toys other children who look like them (same clothes, same hair) what they are supposed to like and do based on what sex they are.

Gosh, OldCrone, your message was hidden one minute after you wrote it!

What did you say???

Oh that's odd - it was unhidden three minutes after you wrote it 🙄

It's the archive link. It gets automatically hidden then (usually) reappears. It happened when I posted the same link a few days ago so I knew it would be back. The article was deleted from medium for being too rational or something, so there's no point in posting the link to the original article.

Edit: I've just checked again and the article is still on medium (I don't know why I couldn't see it before).

https://medium.com/@katieja/young-children-reality-sex-and-gender-3421f4f165f1

What's very interesting is that so many of the commentators under these articles (haven't read them all) all identify encouraging tiny children to think they're the opposite sex as child abuse. Whether it's emotional mistreatment or psychological abuse generated by, or in the absence of, Munchausens, it's abusive to encourage disordered thinking in such young children.

As ever, the massive overreach by transactivists, unable to leave even the youngest of children alone, results in real harm to children.