"Transphobic bullying is rife": 15 y/o trans boy's view of coming out at school

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A rare and refreshing example of the mainstream media actually publishing a young trans person's own words on the subject of their own existence and how the government's draft guidance is likely to affect the people it directly pertains to.

‘Transphobic bullying is rife’: a 15-year-old trans boy’s view of coming out at school | Transgender | The Guardian

Of course. Challenging powerful men is not as much fun as blaming women on the internet who have their own ideas.

Feminism is for women so that’s a hard one to take, particularly when women are speaking up about why this impacts them and every effort is taken to ignore or dismiss

Its a demonstration that they don't want to be a woman.
They certainly don't want equality - because they'd be about balancing rights.
Its a demonstration that they hate women and want to control women and be more powerful than women.

And I'm not sure, its much appreciated when this is pointed out that we recognise this and aren't particularly minded to 'be kind' about it and just roll over and accept it like good little girls.

The level of emotional manipulation and abuse on display is quite telling.

The level of emotional manipulation and abuse on display is quite telling.

Every time we've had a long running TRA post here, they've displayed the same traits. In fact, I can't think of a single TRA, here or anywhere else, who doesn't.

The initial attempts to appear 'reasonable' can't be sustained. Unsurprisingly really.

I suspect it’s because the one thing these particular TRAs have in common is that they want to have a go at women on MN. They’re a particular type of outlier determined to ‘re-educate’ these uppity women with ideas.

This is particularly absurd. "Being a transsexual is really difficult. That's why we need to encourage more children down this route."

You may be a bisexual, if you are sexually attracted to people of both biological sexes (gender identity is not relevant here).

You cannot be either a woman or a feminist unless you are using a completely different definition of both these words to the definitions most people are using.

If you are (a) a woman, and (b) a feminist, what words do we now have for (a) all adult humans of the female biological sex, and (b) the social justice movement dedicated to equality and liberation for the female biological sex?

Neither of these things include you because you are not female and not interested in the rights of female people. In fact, as demonstrated multiple times, you believe what you and other male people want is more important than the rights of female people.

By redefining these words to include yourself, i.e. someone who is the opposite of these things, you are denying the original groups words for themselves, which is an act of oppression.

You are not a woman, you are an oppressor of women. And you are not a feminist, because you believe male people take priority over female people.

I'm laughing at him describing himself as 'a bisexual woman'.

I'm glad this thread keeps being bumped. It's a stellar example of everything that the new guidelines for schools are attempting to redress. The expectation that girls are a subservient group who must obey the demands of males for access to them when undressing and in every other aspects of their lives.

The insistence that transitioning young children is a "prejudice avoiding" issue, despite all the evidence that the long term impact on children is catastrophic. Their physical, intellectual, psychological & sexual development all impaired by the insistence of self-interested adults that this is a "good thing".

No more. We know transitioning offers an appalling outcome for all children below the age of consent no matter how the self-invested try to claim otherwise.

Thank you to everyone for writing with such passion and clarity as we regain our children's futures from these dangerous beliefs.

I agree.

Im not asking because I think there will be some eureka moment where everything will be explained to us, but every avoidance, every diversion, every poor me story is an answer in itself and an explanation of why we keep saying no.

Absolutely.

This thread is a great reminder on why us boring old terfy types must keep campaigning until every single’ girl knows that she can refuse to undress in front of a boy, regardless of what special gender identity the boy claims to have.

Women and girls aren’t emotional support humans for males.

The thought of dd getting this double whammy of indoctrination at the same time as males tactics such as below as part of that oppression is upsetting

I can say no but I need a vote to change things

It's always helpful to remember the experience of trans kids in this movement. Trans adults and their allies now wield so much power (silencing women, cancelling organisations or people who don't agree with every tenet of their demand), it's easy to forget that within the trans umbrella there are oppressed individuals rather than adults oppressing others (ie not allowing lesbian and bi women to meet without trans women, winning women's sports competitions).

Why do you think ‘trans kids’ don’t also hold power in school, like their adult counterparts do in so many organisations? In my DD school when gender ideology as discussed the bullying was of those who were not sufficiently obsequious to those who demanded changes of pronoun, of access to opposite changing rooms. The oppressed are not those whose flag flies in classrooms, who dictate school policies, whose symbol is worn by teachers on lanyards, who demand changes of language and get teachers fired why they refuse.

Can you say more on what you think a ‘trans kid’ is? Including age

Where did all the goth kids go?
Where did all the emo kids go?

If I have understood Heylo correctly, they're talking about all the mentally vulnerable children who've been gaslit into believing that their growing bodies are flawed and wiil be fixed with drugs and surgery. That the myth of rainbow glitter families can replace the love and care of their parents and families - the communities who raised them
These fragile gender questioning children are oppressed and vulnerable as they've been used to promote an ideology that sees them as disposable unless they unquestioningly obey and follow the demands of their oppressors?
Is that right @Heylo?

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Sorry that was sloppy. I'm new to Mumsnet & as I understand it the rules recently changed around language here eg we must used the term transwomen to describe the group of people who identify as that rather than other terms. So I was applying that rule to kids who think they're teams.

For clarification my opinion is no child is born in the wrong body & any child or adult who thinks they are needs mental health support or to be denied access to the internet and gotten back out into nature.

And re the children in schools wielding power, yep point taken.

Thank you @Heylo. Hopefully the use of "gender questioning children" in the guidelines for schools that trans activists are so frantically trying to undermine provides useful terminology for everyone use.

‘Gender Distressed’ children/teens is ok too. I believe that’s a term Kemi Badenoch has used.

It's crazy though how the language is being skewed and manipulated by activists. Even the term they give for people who don't agree with everything they're asking for 'gender critical' is a horrible way to describe people like me.

This is an important clarification.

When you have children who are listening to males who are their ‘guiding’ their decisions from a very unique basis that they then project as being highly relevant for their own validation, who have no fucking idea about appropriate safeguarding or the normal and everyday experiences of female children in particular, which is further manipulated by people like J Marsh, what chance do those children actually have.

I think we have seen enough just on this thread to understand that some male people have a huge huge investment in this community. And if you have such an investment in a community, can that person ever be giving impartial, unbiased and completely balanced advice?

No fucking way. That is what we have been saying here for how many threads ? It seems endless, however each thread brings new eyes so it is worth doing it all again.

It's so sad that women's history has been mangled by this ideology. The long tradition of women supporting women, sharing our history with women, mothers to daughters, sisterhood, support during pregnancy and birth all blown apart by the insistence that men are now women when they say they are.
It's teenage girls and younger women who lose the most. Never to know the unique life affirming experience of sharing spaces, knowledge & experiences with other women, instead being taught by mainly men that their woman's body is toxic, undesirable and must be changed.

Some of us are still around, grown up and tired of this nonsense. The Goth community has been taken over by wokie-doke types and it's thoroughly depressing. Where'd the cynicism and rejection of the establishment go? Why are some jumping on this trend? Blokes wearing makeup and skirts and having long hair has been the norm in the Goth community for years, ditto with women wearing combat boots, more masculine clothing and having short hair. Dunno what's going on. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Also, notably, I've fallen out with all my friends who I met via on online forum for a band. They were people I met in real life too, one of them was at my wedding. She especially has been a disappointment to me, as she's worked with vulnerable women who've been victims of male violence, but she cheers on violent males being sent to women's prisons (Barbie Kardashian being one.) How she deals with the mental gymnastics of that is beyond me. 🤦🏻‍♀️ I did notice she was very rude about JK Rowling, but not a peep about Till Lindemann or Marilyn Manson being accused of serious sex crimes.