"Transphobic bullying is rife": 15 y/o trans boy's view of coming out at school

[ButterflyHatched]

A rare and refreshing example of the mainstream media actually publishing a young trans person's own words on the subject of their own existence and how the government's draft guidance is likely to affect the people it directly pertains to.

‘Transphobic bullying is rife’: a 15-year-old trans boy’s view of coming out at school | Transgender | The Guardian

Indeed. As it is all ButterflyHatched has: homophobic language that equates sharing womens spaces with lesbians is just as risky and uncomfortable as sharing with men. Just plain rubbish and I am not even going to be worked up by it because I know the accusations lobbied at me are untrue.

But yes, @ButterflyHatched, we teach our children a lot. We teach our sons to respect our daughters and not barge their way into womens changing rooms and sports. We teach all our children boundaries and that they have the right to not provide consent to be seen naked by those of the opposite sex. We teach all our children that their ideas and opinions are theirs and might not be shared by others. You seem to have missed out on all those teachings.

ButterflyHatched I notice you’ve not answered any of my questions, but nevertheless, I’ll ask another. Should eg open changing rooms just be mixed sex? If not, why not?

There is nothing unreasonable about transitioning

If you take this purely at face value and it effecting only one person you would be correct but then when you look at it with due diligence and take into account what is being forced onto other people, the lack of checks and measures for those transitioning, and then those that put on a change of clothes and demand that they be respected as the opposite sex, then there is a huge amount of unreasonableness going on.

This is where Butterfly's hypocrisy is exposed - they don't want to be in toilets or changing rooms with men but want women and girls to share with men who claim a 'woman identity' like the Pink Leggings One. If we removed sex segregation totally everywhere and just had completely mixed spaces Butterfly would be incandescent.

Butterfly wants spaces designated on the unidentifiable, unverifiable, different for everyone who claims one 'gender identity', the result of that is obvious to everyone bar Butterfly.

Butterfly frequently doesnt respond to questions. Dont think I ever got an answer on why the wishes of one male take priority over those of many females.

You’ve exposed the lack of logic of trans activist arguments. 👍🏼

Butterfly wants spaces designated on the unidentifiable, unverifiable, different for everyone who claims one 'gender identity', the result of that is obvious to everyone bar Butterfly.

But they don’t really. What they really want is everyone else to use spaces according to their sex but for them to be able to opt into the opposite sex space.

This is it. It's not about wanting mixed sex spaces. It's not about wanting safe spaces. It's about wanting to enter women's spaces against the will of the women in there.
It's nothing but a big power play.
"I'm coming in where you are vulnerable and you can't stop me".
And to add, in fully mixed sex spaces, you'd have the decent men too - the ones who'd look out for men behaving inappropriately and call them out. The power play doesn't work if those men are there. That's why it has to be based on identity. Decent men would never violate women's spaces, leaving it to the ones are aren't.

I know SaffronSpice and InvisibleBuffy, they won't admit it though, the end result of demanding access into single sex spaces for 'special' men who have this mythical 'gender identity' is mixed sex spaces which will include all the men that Butterfly reckons they can't share spaces with - one must never question the 'gender identity' ever, ever, ever.

There is nothing unreasonable about transitioning”

It is totally unreasonable to co-opt, compel and use others for validation, which is what you want and are trying to do Butterfly.

Can’t organise spaces by gender identity, what with their being at least 100 genders and a huge swathe of people (both male and female) with no gender identity at all.

Much more sensible to have ‘Male’ ‘Female’ and ‘Anyone who refuses to use their sex-appropriate facility’ for spaces and ‘Female’ and ‘Open’ for sports & other competitions and scholarships.

That way transgender people aren’t left in a total no-man’s-land (no-enby-land?) but everyone who wants or needs a single sex space can have one.
Butterfly’s wants leave the Nonbinary crowd shit out of luck, which seems a bit transphobic, frankly.

There is nothing sacred or axiomatic about these, however - they're simply the result of physical processes we haven't yet developed the right tools for controlling

There’s nothing self evident about the material reality of biological bodies. We just need more science and technology to transcend them. 🙄

Seriously, how on earth can some internal feeling of gender be the unquestionable core of being if it also requires masses of technological intervention to achieve? This is pure dystopian nonsense.

It starts with the sheer arrogance of deciding that what you feel is, in fact, ‘womanhood’. Then insists that feeling IS axiomatic and the only inconvenience is that we haven’t yet learned to fully control material reality.

Control is a key word here I think!

Transhumanism innit?

Presented as if it is the natural and desirable state of things. 🙄

Seriously, how on earth can some internal feeling of gender be the unquestionable core of being if it also requires masses of technological intervention to achieve? This is pure dystopian nonsense.

Well quite. Not only that everyone else is required to participate by affirming and validating, it cannot work without that apparently.

exactly. The word control is important. It’s about controlling everything and everyone else to fit the transhuman gender ideology narrative

Anyone else had an email telling them they're on the naughty list? I'm sorry Santa please don't cut me off like ladies willies xxxx

For what ideal?

Sorry, I keep getting accused of derailing threads and/or talking too much as is to be anything but extremely selective of what I respond to - don't forget that whenever I post I then get a stack of 10+ responses - not to mention it's Christmas, I have a stack of notifications just from this thread alone and I'm not exactly doing this for fun.

Do the wishes of people who are prejudiced against a particular minority usually get given priority over said minority in the event of a conflict of interest?

Unfortunately, they often still do - but in theory, they shouldn't. So that's my answer.

Merry Christmas.

...or maybe people use the facilities they are most comfortable with?

Hell of a lot of putting words into my mouth going on here.

Female sex spaces aren’t for male people go get comfortable in!

No males in female spaces, none.

Ever.

The end.

Note to readers: The concept of single sex spaces were not set up based on ‘prejudice’. Some social spaces set up by men were set up to keep women out because of prejudice.

It would be ridiculous and dishonest to suggest single sex spaces are single sex because women ‘don’t like men’.

Female people want and need safety away from MALE people, as well as space for our privacy and dignity.

There is absolutely not one shred of evidence that male people at any point of transition have a lower risk of committing sexual offenses than the rest of the UK male population. Therefore no male at any point of transition is safer than another male in the UK. This is likely true for any other country as well.

Not sure? Not wanting men in womens spaces?

YES. If a man feels uncomfortable using men's spaces because he wants to play dress up that's his problem. He doesn't get to make women feel uncomfortable and make women and girls unsafe by playing dress up in the ladies loos etc.

Completely agree. Do watch out though, last time I fully engaged with this one I had a ban for a time. I said the usual.