Guilty verdict in Brianna Ghey case

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/20/brianna-ghey-found-guilty-murder

Not a surprise - it felt very clear-cut.

The names were definitely widely known in the local area. My children attend one of the schools involved and knew who they were. They would have been named by next year anyway when they turned 18.

An absolutely senseless crime, a waste of three young lives with so much potential. RIP Brianna.

The "inclusion unit" makes it sound so much worse than it actually is. It's a small building with a handful of rooms where kids with additional needs go to do their lessons without any extra disruptions. The massive majority of kids that would be there aren't murderers, they just need extra support.
"Inclusion unit" makes it sound like solitary confinement.

the names were all over social media months ago and so were some pictures, although i couldn't say for sure whether the latter were accurate - the ones of the boy, who's quite distinctive-looking, were, but i'm a lot less sure about the ones of the girl, who isn't at all distinctive looking & [judging by the mail piece] depressingly, whose appearance has seemingly changed a lot over the past couple of years on account of her age.

the business about their viewing snuff-type material online is depressing, i'm not totally sure how effective it is but i've got a fairly comprehensive filter on my home internet access & only allow my kids to install apps with my approval, e.g. i'd never allow them to install tor browser or anything like that... but my best guess would be that my 12 yr old son is max 18 months away from being capable of finding a workaround if he really wanted to.

I have wondered in the Ana Kriégel case, where again, obviously the people who went to school with the victim and her killers all know, but where there have been prosecutions of people who put the names online, whether that anonymity is in some way a punishment of the wider community.

People not directly affected as the family are, but still damaged by having something so frightening and bizarre disrupting their lives. My memory of school is that even a 'normal' death of a fellow pupil, from illness or accident, was pretty traumatic. Also that bullying or cruel or frightening children needed to be discussed to help us to understand and recognise what had happened. I do understand the roots of the current push for anonymity, but increasingly feel it's misplaced.

Are the killers' siblings able to have normal school lives now? Naming just seems to have made an ugly situation even worse.

Quite right, @DeanElderberry and I sounded a bit - umm, snarky. Apologies.

It is a difficult area. Until I read a subsequent post, I hadn't thought about the effects of silence on the wider community and it making events difficult to process. The death of any child in school makes an impact: I still remember a boy knocked over by a car & killed when we were at primary school, over 60 years ago.

I think generally we have it right that anonymity is the default for children unless the judge thinks there are compelling reasons to release the names.

I can't begin to imagine what it's been like to all the families concerned. Brianna's bereaved family of course, and also how the murderers' families feel. I'm expecting that they totally deplore what their children did (because I would) - how do you carry on after such a horror? Most of us here would probably be thinking 'where did I go wrong? Why was it my child that did this/this happened to?'

Regards point (c) I would take that with a huge pinch of salt. This was the stated motivation for both Jeffrey Dahmer and Dennis Nielsen, as SJ was obsessed with serial killers and an absolute bullshitter judging by accounts in the trial, I think this is another lie. She killed Brianna Ghey because BG was the easiest available victim.

Yes their names were known across TikTok and other social media since just after the murder:

web.archive.org/web/20230320034022/ron-broxted.livejournal.com/665098.html

The judge is on Times radio

Really horrifying

That was all in the Guardian too, so not a question of the Mail muckraking. Presumably the info came direct from the police.

I can’t get over the fact that the boy’s dad bought the knife used.

I accept that parents are often clueless about their teens internet activity (something we all need to be better at understanding and monitoring) but who the fuck buys a knife like that as a gift for a teenager? I’ve seen a picture of the knife on one of the news sites today and it’s a really horrible object.

When my boy was a teenager I had a lock fitted to a kitchen drawer so that sharp knives were inaccessible (due to self harm fears more than violence), obvs adolescents can get hold of knives without their parents knowledge but why make it easy for them? Why gift them a potential murder weapon?

Surely supplying a murder weapon is an offence too?

the judge has said he thinks that Brianna's trans identity was probably a secondary motive on the part of the boy (only).

As I understand it that motive was ascribed to both murderers by the judge.

There would be a very simple workaround I am sure he figured out years ago: friend’s houses.

The judge determined that the murder is of "high seriousness" and that both defendants played in a key part in killing. So didn't go on to consider the sadistic motive or transphobic comments. However reading this mornings coverage it did seem the judge wasn't minded to ascribe a transphobic motive to the girl but may have had to consider this for the male. The judge says of this: “I don’t think I have sufficient weight to make a sure finding that Scarlett was transphobic. Where I am interested with her is the link with Eddie.”

You can’t download a new app without parental permission tho, regardless of whose WiFi the device is using.

Justice Yip’s sentencing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjG8canxhsI

30:24 for start of broadcast (edit: looks like it’s since been trimmed so start of video is now start of broadcast)

Rightsraptor · Today 13:11

On harassment of the families, the mother of one of the killers has been asked to leave her job.

But you can watch their device.

yeah, with parental controls on he'd struggle to look at anything on his device on any network.

as for looking at dodgy material on another device, that's out of my hands, always will be.

That’s true, but that’s not really how extreme internet use seems to manifest, it’s more of a solitary activity (as it was in this case, where only the girl was using the dark web). Sharing links won’t work if the recipient cannot open them.

Plus teens are spending more and more time alone generally, they aren’t hanging out in each other’s houses much.

Is that the secondary school teacher? I can imagine it would be difficult for both employer and employee to continue working in a local secondary school…

Daily Mail has its views

Brianna Ghey WAS killed for being trans: Teenage murderers are jailed for 22 and 20 years but could face even LONGER in prison after judge rules killing was 'in part' motivated by transphobia | Daily Mail Online

Which from a paper that thrives on trans headlines may be a wake up call for how it reports on trans people

I doubt the perpetrators were avid Daily Mail readers.