It's started in Irish dancing too. 14 year old trans child wins world qualifying event

[Greyheart1]

https://tennesseestar.com/news/parents-outraged-after-trans-identifying-boy-wins-girls-irish-dancing-competition-heads-to-worlds/admin/2023/12/10/

This means that the girl outside the qualifying spots in the U14 competition has missed out on her chance to dance at the world championships next year.
Devestating. It is an extremely expensive sport.

@ChateauMargaux @SabrinaThwaite so it actually will be another advantage for a male dancer moonlighting in the girls competition?

@Greyheart1 I’ve no idea, but women’s skeletal structure is so influenced by hormones that it’s quite possible that they will be more prone to injury at certain points in their cycle or their life (for instance, pregnancy can have a huge effect on your feet - many women’s feet change size and shape at this time; menopause is another for obvious reasons).

Here’s another article that says men trying en pointe will find new muscles and develop more flexibility in feet and ankles.

I did think it interesting that both this article and the previous one I posted highlights that it gives male dancers and choreographers more insight into how female dancers have to move and what is possible.

https://dancespirit.com/men-on-pointe/

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/12/14/irish-dancers-trans/

It doesn't sound like Pink News contacted the parents of the dancers competing against the trans dancer for a comment. It mentions it contacted CLRG.
Also it didn't mention contacting the dance teachers who set up the counter petition which is really gaining it's signatures.

Pink News exists in its own reality where them being expected to carry out factchecking on news stories is considered oppressive 🙄

@UtopiaPlanitia 😂😂😂

It's getting quite starkly obvious now, along with Kate Osborne and posters here. Alternative realities where they endlessly battle with imaginary straw men, and where facts are evil things to hide from at all costs.

https://www.outkick.com/teenage-boy-advances-to-worlds-after-winning-girls-irish-dancing-championships/

This article is telling it as it is!Fact checking complete 😁

Watching Osbourne in the Women & Equalities Committee yesterday was quite the shock. Her questions were really just long, rambling, biased monologues. She had no interest in interrogating issues from other perspectives. It was like watching an anthropomorphised Pink News article.

Excellent article - all the information you’ve found and posted here is fascinating. It’s always interesting (occasionally depressing too 🤷‍♀️) to see the various viewpoints on an issue. Go raibh maith agat!!

@UtopiaPlanitia you're welcome, I really hope those girls & their families take a proper stand against this & demand competitions are restricted to birth sex. It's on the organisation to open seperate competitions for trans & also non binary competitors who don't identify as either sex. Also the trans competitors can also compete within their birth sex category giving them two options if an open or trans category is set up to accommodate them.

Men can and do go on pointe. See 'Les Ballets Trockadero de Monte Carlo' for instance.

There's no reason why they can't and since ballet shoes are still handmade, they can be idividually customised to fit each person's feet. They rarely do though, since in most ballets, soldiers, pirates, farm hands, assorted villains and princes tend to be wearing boots rather than tutus and tiaras. You do get the occasional role which requires it, such as Bottom in The Dream, but not often.

Male dancers do damage theselves in the pursuit of dance, I know two who are currently out of action with a shoulder injury (from lugging ballerinas about on their shoulders no doubt).

Yes I couldn't find any evidence for the claim on this thread that it is inherently more dangerous for men to be en pointe. So that's one less thing for people to worry about phew!

There are a couple of things that bother me about the idea that it is more fair to include transgender people into competitions in the category of the gender as which they wish to live. The first is that although it now seems to be normal for transwomen or transgirls to win in the girls' and women's categories, I haven't seen any instances of transboys or transmen winning in the boys' and men's categories. Is this a difference in publicization of victories by transmen vs transwomen? Or does this reflect that transboys and transmen are unable to compete successfully with boys and men?

Along the same lines, it bothers me that it seems to be that transgirls and transwomen move up in the rankings when they move to compete as the gender as which they wish to live. This would suggest that they gain an advantage by transitioning. If transitioning was truly neutral according to their sports competitiveness and their overall sporting achievement, then I would expect them to retain the same gender-based ranking when they switch the gender in which they compete. For example a cyclist who is ranked 589th among men, when competing as a man, should remain at the 589th rank among women, when competing as a woman, because, if their transition truly does change their sporting ability proportionately, then so should their ranking change proportionately. When someone moves from a 200th ranking to 3rd place ranking, or from 79th place ranking to 1st place ranking, that seems like pretty clear evidence that, even if their performance may decrease a little bit as a result of the hormonal changes of transition, they still retain a competitive advantage due to their underlying sex.

I hope that was clear. I was trying to stay within site rules.