Scotland - New prison rules on housing trans inmates

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This was even a news item just now on the Radio 3 news.
Why they can't just say that no man no matter how we identifies should ever be placed in a women's prison, I don't know.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/72168d7f-1bde-4cac-8aff-fe3a0e37f72d?shareToken=2156479f381bbf74631154c5eef0f276

Well, I've give this some thought:

Fuck their gender identity.

'But the detailed guidance on its operation stated that even those deemed too dangerous to be housed in women’s prison could still be allowed to mingle with female inmates in other settings.

It said “there may be other ways of supporting their gender identity, for example through access to work parties, activities, or even programmes with others of their gender identity.”'

I say again:

Fuck their gender identity. And fuck the SPS.

'mingle'.

Fucking 'mingle'.

No, SPS, dangerous men do not get to 'mingle' with women for their 'identity' needs.

Surely it's during the 'mingling' that assaults and the like are going to happen? Unless they were planning on some poor women having to share a cell with a tw.

Surely not.

That would be insane.

They're planning on making women share cells with male criminals, aren't they.

Surely it's during the 'mingling' that assaults and the like are going to happen?

I believe that's how FDJ, the female prisoner who took the MoJ to judicial review, which was sadly unsuccessful, was sexually assaulted

They're planning on making women share cells with male criminals, aren't they.

In Scotland women have already been made to shower with them.

If TWAW they can surely get validation and “practice” by mingling with each other. It seems to me that is the obvious solution. All of a country’s TW prisoners should go to the same prison and be housed together. Then they’d be with women right? No need to bother biological women if there’s no difference, as per gender ideology?

Kate from KPSS has just done a detailed interview on this SPS policy with Andrew Doyle on Free Speech Nation.

Her interview starts at 36 minutes into the programme.

Let's all mingle with rapists! Yeah! What could possibly go wrong?

Can you imagine, as a woman, being told you have to “mingle” with some rapists - for THEIR benefit - and pretend they are women? How cruel and unusual can you get? I hope they get their arses sued to the far side of fuck for this appalling treatment of female prisoners.

I hope they get their arses sued to the far side of fuck for this appalling treatment of female prisoners.

Quite.

I would really like to see the use of non consenting female prisoners as therapy animals for male rapists examined in depth. You cannot think this is anything but abhorrent unless you believe that someone born with a penis has value and priority, and that someone born without has a birthright duty of service to those with penises.

And this should also open the door to consideration of the fact that if you are arguing well obviously, no rapists or sex offenders but some men in some circumstances must be able to use women

then you are in fact accepting the rightness of men being provided with women to use as service animals and merely wanting to gatekeep a bit where that use breaks the women a bit too much. And looks bad in the press.

The issue is men using women at all. Whether as props or validation resources or furniture around their self identity, or as a toy to exploit and break. There aren't shades of it being ok. Again, unless you think females aren't equally human to males and have no business saying no to their birth duty to meet male need. In which case we're not talking about 'transphobia', we're actually talking about male supremacism.

Scottish plans to let violent trans women convicts into female jails to help prepare them for release are likened to using prisons as 'laboratories for experiment' by furious critics

Daily Mail explanation of the proposals https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12849531/Scottish-plans-let-violent-trans-women-convicts-female-jails-help-prepare-release-likened-using-prisons-laboratories-experiment-furious-critics.html

Except it isn't the prisons that these violent males and the Scots government plan to use. It is vulnerable women with no ability to escape and no interest in their consent.

It is wicked.

From the Telegraph article:

Further fears were raised about trans criminals “initiating coercive relationships, and the risk of pregnancy with non-transgender women.” But it said that predatory and violent behaviour towards women in prison “also came from other women” and that it is “stigmatising to suggest that only transgender women are a threat”.

I've read exactly these sorts of comments from TRSOHers many many times.

It’s deflection. Nothing more than that.

There is an inherent risk that putting biological men in women’s prisons will lead to coercive relationships and pregnancy. This is obviously true. And the risk of pregnancy is introduced entirely by putting biological men in with women. Even if the relationships are consensual, pregnancy in prison is not a desirable outcome for anyone - especially the baby.

Instead of properly addressing the risks, the SPS have gone for the classic TRA/MRA approach of ‘well women do bad things too’ to deflect the issue.

Depressing.

It's another version of the 'well you're going to get raped anyway, so why bother clinging on to the protections of a single sex space?' argument.

Other women being unpleasant to vulnerable women doesn't equal it being ok to send male criminals, particularly sex offending male criminals, in to use women prisoners as therapy animals. To anyone with half a grain of sanity still remaining, and who is not sufficiently sexist that the Tudors would think they were a bit backward.

Exactly. The whole "well women can be mean to other women too" argument is so weak. If women pose just as much danger to women as men do, why sre there women's prisons, toilets etc in the first place? Because it makes a difference to women's safety, dignity and peace of mind - a big difference. If we're supposed to care about a TW's hurt feelings about being misgendered or put in the right prison for their sex, we should care as much about safety, dignity and peace of mind for women. Oh and not gaslighting them and forcing them to lie.

Well, also because the risks are so massively skewed. Not only are women far less likely to be violent, they are almost never sexually assaulting people, and even the tiny proportion who are/do, are not going to have the height/weight/strength advantages that men do, and no woman is going to be able to impregnate another woman.

the idea that the risks from women and from men are in any way comparable is risible.

It's also basically saying "well if you're at a slight risk - might as well be put at a lor more risk eh?"

By the exact same argument, TW should be in male prisons not only because they're male, but because women can attack them just like men can.

You could equally that jumping out of a plane wearing a parachute is dangerous, so you might as well jump without one.

Further fears were raised about trans criminals “initiating coercive relationships, and the risk of pregnancy with non-transgender women.”

There are two sorts of 'trans criminals' housed in women's prisons. How can we possibly know to which sort the article refers?

'Non-transgender women'? Words fail me.

Seems a rewrite is needed:

Further fears were raised about male criminals “initiating coercive relationships, and the risk of pregnancy with women.”

An article in Spiked by Ian Acheson

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/12/18/no-man-should-be-in-a-womens-prison/

I wish Ian Acheson was still in the Home Office.

The Telegraph on it again today

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/08/scotland-new-trans-prisons-rules-are-sexist-say-campaigners/

It has been archived. Sorry, forgot to copy the link. It's all about the men, trans or purporting to be. Nothing about the welfare of the confined women. The policy is explicitly saying they are just objects to be used to validate the men.

I mean we all know that's how trans ideology see women (even trans identified women and girls are usually forgotten except as leverage to forward the interests of men). It's rarely stated so baldly though.