Liz Truss to propose law banning biological males from single-sex spaces

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Liz Truss is to introduce a draft law that will seek to ban biological males from entering single-sex spaces and prevent children from attempting to change their gender.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/liz-truss-mps-conservative-government-mail-on-sunday-b1124423.html

Oh dear! I suspect association with Liz Truss will in fact mean loss of support for these proposals.

Neither were the manifestos of Rishi Sunak or Liz Truss, but that doesn't seem to worry them.

As a left wing liberal feminist who believes wholeheartedly in single sex spaces this is worrying. I don’t want it to be seen as a far right idea. It’s actually to protect the vulnerable which is a very left wing idea- they’ve just got very confused at the moment.

I think the left is fully captured by gender ideology hence it coming from outside that

Both in politics and the media

I think that if any politician is so weak in their support of this that they will be deterred by Liz Truss bringing this to debate, they were never really going to go against what they believe is the ‘popular’ opinion in any case. They were never to be counted on for support when it came to voting.

The more discussion that this issue gets the better. Because I cannot see that once you are fully engaged understanding the issue, it is only one way travel. There is no unseeing what you have seen, unless you are someone who is emotionally manipulated to turn a blind eye.

From your link:

(For balance, worth pointing out Labour released 80,000 prisoners under early release over a near 2-year period from 2007)

She is the mother of teenagers. She was also a much better Women’s Minster than her predecessor, Penny Mordaunt.

I agree. She's always been consistent on this issue, whatever else she's done in other roles.

It doesn't matter who brings it forward - all discussion is good.

And yes, at this stage I agree with this. Sunlight is key.

Well read.

Liz Truss and Miriam Cates are to the right of the Tory party (Liz is very much a free marketeer, Miriam is quite religious) but voters are entitled to vote for a diversity of representatives. If you were to hang round the 19th hole in a few home counties golf clubs you would be bound to hear the view that Liz had the right idea but was done in by a conspiracy of international bankers. It is good for our democracy that there is a range of views and experience. (But not good that Labour and Tory activists tend to be further to the left or right than the majority of the electorate. )

This issue should not be political. It is about the safeguarding of women and girls. All women should be supportive. The fact that probably on Rosie Duffield would be prepared to put forward a similar proposal on the Labour side speaks volumes. Not liking Liz' economic views is no excuse for not acknowledging that she has always been sound on women's issues.

I may be wrong but I thought the chance of putting forward a private members bill was determined by some sort of ballot. If this is so, we should be pleased that Liz is using her opportunity for something genuinely needed. Sunlight. Pressure on both her own colleagues and the opposition? Let's hope she succeeds.

We don't actually have a far right in the UK; in international terms the tories are much nearer the middle left in many ways.

It has been the decision of all the left identifying parties to abandon women's rights, accessibility for women with disabilities/BAME/minority faiths and culture/ homosexual women, women with learning difficulties, women's equality of provision and access to leisure and sports and health care, and child safeguarding when and as it clashes with the absolute freedom of males to express gender identities. And to say that women's exclusion, injury and rapes is a worthwhile price to pay for the freedoms of self expression for those males.

It is, as you say, a very interesting view of life for a party claiming to represent the left, and it is now more that those parties identify as left rather than demonstrate any interest in those groups and their interests, particularly when those groups' needs and barriers are not serving them usefully. In many ways the very classist, 'for us and our pals, and sod the proles, they don't matter and we don't care' beliefs they now express is much nearer to the nastier side of the right.

But if safeguarding, women's rights and equalities, religious tolerance, multi culturalism and basic common sense is now the province of the right? Ok. I stand behind the principles, not the tribe.

"if safeguarding, women's rights and equalities, religious tolerance, multi culturalism and basic common sense is now the province of the right? Ok. I stand behind the principles, not the tribe"

Spot on!

Do the far right espouse views such as girls should recieve less education than boys so that they are more likely to stay at home and have babies or is that the preserve of the middle left?

I'm sorry, where is that anywhere in any political party's expressed views in the UK at present?

Sunlight. Pressure on both her own colleagues and the opposition? Let's hope she succeeds.

Yes. The more the better. Meanwhile Labour tries to take out Duffield for not being fully captured by gender ideology

Tg for women ready to speak up and take it on.

It is a view that has been expressed sevaral times by UK government ministers, and since the PM has not condemned those views, one it is reasonable to assume that it is the view of the government.

It’s not

We’re going to see more attempts at deflection if women get going on this.

Fine, let the TRAs spin.

All good, it’s the right direction and extra sunlight

It is.

It was expressed quite clearly at the NatC event in the spring.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/15/low-birthrate-is-uk-top-priority-tory-mp-tells-rightwing-conference-miriam-cates

@jgw1 i’m finding that highly unlikely, you’ll need to provide evidence.

This constant suggestion that GC views must be associated with ‘stuff that people don’t like’ is reminding me of the way T must be associated with LGB. It’s all very Dentons playlist isn’t it!

You may find it unlikely, but perhaps do not pay as much attention to what government ministers and other MPs are saying as I do.
Some of their views are deeply disturbing.

So show me? The link you provided says NOWHERE that girls should have less education.

I don’t agree with MC about increasing birth rates, I’m an environmentalist, but I still object to your misrepresentation

Anything but talking about gender ideology, more deflection

I notice how parties treat women who are not captured and it’s dire for Duffield and lucky for Falkner and good on Truss

'Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services.
'These policies will not please everyone. They will be attacked from all sides, in good faith and bad. But responsible politics is not about doing what is easy, it’s about doing what is right.'
Anneliese Dodds (Full article in link below.)

If this does get as far as a parliamentary debate then it would provide a fine opportunity for Labour to demonstrate, ahead of a general election, whether they mean what they say.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

Good on her.

“Spending so much time and money on education also makes it much more difficult, particularly for women, to decide when is a good time to pause and have children.”