MIC Ollie Locke & husband on their Brazilian surrogate

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https://twitter.com/David_Challen/status/1730710614824103984

Video in link. They say it is a bit 'prostitutey' but main concern is she's hot...

An 11 week prem baby is in neonatal ICU. You simply do not move anyone in ICU, unless lives are at stake. A hospital to hospital transfer would have to be done by ambulance, wouldn't it, with a neonatal nurse on board? It could have killed the patients if the ambulance went over a bump in the road!

If it's inconvenient for you to visit someone still in an ICU, tough luck. You move to them. They do not move to you.

Well, renting wombs for purchased eggs/baby trafficking is a lot like prostitution/human trafficking, so at least they said the quiet bit out loud.

Good they had fraternal twins, at least the siblings will have each other, which might help ease a little of the pain of not having a mother.

Whoooooosh! Totally over your head.

It's not donor sperm or donor eggs, it's the woman that actually carries them that is the issue - not the ivy league educated supermodel that apparently needs to make extra imcome donating eggs
The one you, and they, have so little concern for they don't even warrant a mention.

They’re repulsive. People with attitudes like that, are only going to fuck up any children they parent.

I hate surrogacy and the use of donors anyway but this pair make it even worse if that’s possible.

I fluffed the title tis all. And I disagree it is all three; donor, surrogate, child. The surrogate, Rebecca, is not mentioned in this instance but they've spoken about her many times before and we have threads on her already.

I should add the clip is taken from a longer interview, they will talk about her. The clip is about the 'commissioning', so the thread is too.

Anyone who thinks surrogate mothers are the only concern and that egg donors aren’t also exploited and their health put at risk needs to watch Eggsploitation:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAMrwAGR3GA

Tuition at US university is eye watering LT expensive and young female students are specifically targeted by predatory Fertility Clinics. These very young women have not had children of their own and are not already undergoing egg harvesting for their own reasons, they are told it will be easy money AND they are helping sad, childless, couples.

Some of these young women have lost their own fertility when reckless, exploitative clinics put the number of eggs collected over the health and well being of the donor.

And that’s before you get to the health and social consequences for babies created in this way (which will take decades to truly understand and unsurprisingly the clinics that make millions out of this aren’t keen on studying the negative consequences).

(no doubt I’ll now get a load of predatory YouTube ads from IVF clinics, as usually happens when I post on these topics online!)

Well they were spot on with one of their quotes i.e. "we were slightly knobheads".

Only ‘slightly’?
How awful for any girl child to hear their dads talking in such a casually misogynistic way about how they came into being.

It's such an eye opening film @TheClogLady

Really disturbing

I wonder how the woman they're 'commissioning' will feel hearing that they consider what she's doing as a "bit prostitute-y".
I'm sure all concerned have convinced themselves it's a kind, altruistic 'gift' that she's bestowing upon them, so to find out that they do, in fact, consider her in the same light as a lowly prostitute could be incredibly hurtful.

Smoking hot, Ivy League supermodel surrogate is what she's marketing. Prostitute is what these men see.

It’s remarkable and sad to me that a smoking hot Ivy League-educated supermodel sees having a babies for men on demand as the best career option right now. You’d think there would be more stable, long-term lucrative and less dangerous career paths on offer. Unless all is not what it seems.

I have a suspicion that the woman who carried their babies was probably swayed by the indirect celebrity she would gain from this. I wonder whether the couple would have considered her eggs of a sufficient standard or was she just sufficient as a ‘gestator’ of the ‘smokin’ hot’ donator’s eggs? What saddens me is that there was a risky twin pregnancy that ended in a very premature birth. And both of the men involved were bystanders as 4 human beings risked bodily harm, or worse, to cater for their desires. Again, I don’t doubt the love and devotion these two will pour upon the twins but I can’t help but be deeply unsettled by their attitude towards the commercial process they instigated.

Most baby-buyers seem to prefer a separate egg donor and surrogate mother.

A mother carrying her own biological child is considered too much of a risk for refusing to relinquish her child at birth.

Plus, luxury baby-buyers tend to want eggs from young, pretty, intelligent women (hence college students being targeted by predatory ads) but they want the surrogate mother to be old enough to have a proven track record of carrying at least one child to term and to live a low-risk life where the paid pregnancy will be the priority, not a career or a university course (or a social life).

In the US, Military wives with deployed husbands are targeted, as they are often stay at home mums for their own children living off one modest wage.
Plus they aren’t having sex because their husbands are away and lots of baby-buyers want surrogate mothers to sign contracts stating no sex.

Alternatively, a white, college student egg donor and a poor black or brown woman in a developing country is a way to buy a luxury baby on a smaller budget (plus laxer laws mean more embryos can be implanted eg the Irish men who commissioned triplet girls in Kenya)

Yes.

However I have trouble with this and I cannot shake it.

"Again, I don’t doubt the love and devotion these two will pour upon the twins but I can’t help but be deeply unsettled by their attitude towards the commercial process they instigated."

They put 4 humans at risk for this transaction. And it is a transaction. The reality is 'what kind of person puts 2 women and 2 infants at such high risk'? An extremely selfish one. I cannot reconcile this narrative of 'they are so loving' with the extreme selfishness and lack of respect of another human being that surrogacy is based on. It doesn't matter that that other human being has 'consented'. The exploitation is very real and is regardless of whether the donor or the woman carrying those children consented to be exploited. It is exploitation.

Exploiting others in this way is very contradictory to love.

Holy Fuck

The entitlement of those spoilt idiots is breathtaking.

But as I'm sure we'll be told they will make great parents (except they won't with such twattish views) who are we to judge, live and let live and other such absolute bollocks

It’s very sad isn’t it. God help the child if they have the temerity to be average looking and not too clever.

Good people think human beings can be bought? That it is OK to deprive a child of its mother? Before these babies were even born they were cheated out of half their birthright
I see no love or cherishing there, only two self indulgent men playing a role and having enough money to make it easy for themselves.

It’s sickening. Men using financial might to farm a human and traffic a human being, to separate and baby from its mother and separate a child from its genetic heritage.

It’s grubby, cruel, selfish, misogynistic, objectifying - both women and children - commoditising them and their important, psychologically fundamental relationship with one-another, and vain.

Poor motherless child. It’s sickening that they are engaging in a publicity campaign to normalise this unnatural and exploitative practice.

Anyone who trafficks children and designs to take them away from their mother at birth is not a loving responsible parent.

Also, the woman selling her eggs - ie - selling her future babies, and the woman agreeing to reject the baby she bears at birth for money are not much better either.

I also question how any man can be a good parent to a girl when he has such a misogynist dehumanising attitude to women.

Why do you think no wealthy women do this?

Absolutely. Also, the arrogance of having twins on the off. One baby is hard enough, twins is really full-on. They clearly think that motherhood is a fucking doddle.