Did anyone watch Doctor Who?

[ZeldaFighter]

So on an existential level, I'm confused. 11 Doctors and only 1 woman - it seemed like finally progress had been made. Now we're back to male people playing the role of the teenage daughter (who is explicitly transgender, so I suppose is really OK but now women can't even play the women).

Irl, I'm embarrassed because my husband immediately realised the actor was a transgender woman, whereas I didn't twig at all 😞

Yes.

It is a very common comorbidity. But again, it would take self awareness to recognise it.

I understand the appeal of shutting down the TRA's with the whole 'we can always tell' refrain. Reframes the whole thing so that you can then crush or No True Scotsman anyone who challenges it - and never actually engage with the complexities.

Unfortunately, being one of those annoying little axiom-defying complexities is a reality I have to live with daily. Sorry for giving a damn about a political movement that has steadily shifted from merely obstructing further positive change into actively trying to stop me from living the life I've lived for decades while claiming I don't exist.

Do doctors prioritise appearance over function and sensation? Mine didn't. Never had any comments from partners!

Shouldn't that decision ultimately be up to the individual to make best of the hand they are dealt in a way that works for them, anyway?

'Widely accepted' by whom? Certainly wasn't widely accepted as the cause by Wren and the others at the Tavi in the late 90's and early 00's. I'd like to think I have at least a small insight on this subject, given I spent years talking to them in great detail about it at the time as one of their patients. It was investigated but very quickly discounted on account of being complete bullshit and obviously not applicable.

You're talking about a position that wasn't in fact commonly accepted which changed during a supposed wave of 'Social Contagion' that was somehow already in effect at least a decade and a half prior to the time it is supposed to have manifested. Try again!

There's no reframing - we can tell. It's as simple as that.

I haven't noticed the TRAs shutting down because it's highlighted that males still look like males, regardless of what they wear or how much make up they put on, or how long they grow their hair. Did I miss something?

"Sorry for giving a damn about a political movement that has steadily shifted from merely obstructing further positive change into actively trying to stop me from living the life I've lived for decades while claiming I don't exist."

You mean what? Stopping you actively stating you are a 'woman' and living the life of a 'woman'?

Nah mate. You are a version of 'woman' that you have constructed in your head, that is all that you can be living. No one is denying that you are living the life of a male who is gender non-conforming. But we ARE denying that you are living any version of a life of a female person. Because you are not and you must understand by now that you never can.

Why should any person in the world affirm your version of what you have told us is womanhood that you have been 'disqualified' from being? That is a very bizarre demand when you look at it. No one should be put in a position of affirming your misogynistic view point of what a woman is. No one should have to accept you living the life you demand that puts women and girls health and safety at risk.

You exist. The hyperbole that you have posted today though is great. Please do keep posting as it really is a live demonstration of the tactics and the emotional manipulation of extreme trans activists. Particularly when women say no, and declare their boundaries clearly to exclude male people who insist that they are women.

Oh yay! I can feel some evidence coming though! That is a start.

Come on ButterflyHatched , give us the links that show that 'social contagion' has been in effect for at least a decade and half prior to when it has been manifested? Or have I misread what has been in effect for a decade and a half ?

"a supposed wave of 'Social Contagion' that was somehow already in effect at least a decade and a half prior to the time it is supposed to have manifested. Try again!"

Maybe I jumped to conclusions based on your previous denials of the situations facing young female adolescent transitioners. In which case, I apologise. If not, please link up that evidence. You know we love to read it all!

Pr10n is claiming that 'the current wave of social contagion' changed something that was 'commonly accepted' (it wasn't) decades before it is supposed to have even manifested.

I don't remember encountering any time travelling social contagion vectors in my childhood.

The only way GC feminists ever get to shut people down is by having unanswerable arguments.

Do doctors prioritise appearance over function and sensation? Mine didn't. Never had any comments from partners!

Well that's nice for you but "my partners don't comment" is well below the standard I would accept for sexual, genital or reproductive function or sensitivity. But I'll drop that line of argument as I really don't want to go into details.

Shouldn't that decision ultimately be up to the individual to make best of the hand they are dealt in a way that works for them, anyway?

Up to a point. So: not if it works for them at the expense of other people's right to live happy peaceful lives. This doesn't really apply to medicine but it does apply to allowing male people access to spaces which women need to keep free of male people for the sake of their own safety, privacy and dignity.

And on the medical side, not if it can't be predicted who it will work well enough for and who it wont, especially not if the risk of it not working is very high while the consequences of it not working are severe,. Due to the "first do no harm" obligation on doctors. A lot of medical treatments that people have high hopes of aren't offered because they're just not good enough. You may exist and you really may be very happy but you are anecdote, not data.

I don't think you quite have grasped it.

Prion is referring to a time when trauma during childhood was considered to be a major cause of GID. She also refers to homophobic trauma, in her second paragraph onwards.

She is talking about social contagion being a recent motivation in the 'current wave'.

What do you believe she means again?

Nope.