Gender Criticals - how are you going to vote in the election?

[ProfessorFlitwick]

My political views are centre-left. I am genuinely unsure how to vote in the next election because I am absolutely not voting for any party that supports harmful woke ideology. I am curious to hear how other GCs are thinking of voting next year?

Do you actually think the Tories have cut funding to public services because we can't afford it? Do you think they are efficiently using public money?

The money is going into their pockets my friend.

The thing is that women who lobby Labour on this issue are being ignored and dismissed as bigots.

I can't vote for that.

@EasternStandard But that's a debate for another day and much more general than the question this thread is asking. I've said what I want on this issue now and made my views clear, so am ducking out.

Eww. Labour really are banking on women putting their own interests second, aren't they?
And the alternatives are proven liars, craven fools, bullies and creeps.

Receipts please.

@MargotBamborough If you don't vote for that then unfortunately you vote for the destruction of the NHS (or don't vote at all, perhaps the best choice).

Anyway I am leaving the thread now - all the best to you all, however you choose to vote, and thanks for the discussion.

What improvements to the NHS do you expect to see with a Labour government and how quickly do you hope to see it? At what point will you declare that cashing in on women's rights was a successful tactic to improve the quality of life for the general public, and women in particular?

It needs to be a better answer tbf

Especially since it’s trading in to gender ideology

and yes we will see funding is constrained even with a new gov

Yes. Everything always takes precedence over the interests and concerns of women.

Don't we have more important things to worry about?

It links back into something across several threads today: the essence of misogyny. The belief that women only really exist in the context of their relevance to men. Sadly you see both women and men who believe this.

I've had no end of problems finding a Male HCP for my brother. Theres no shortage of women HCPs. No one will be waiting in general terms for care. Maybe in specialist areas, but not for bog standard things. And in the specialist cases, you'll be waiting anyway because there aren't enough specialists.

Well you must vote how you see fit.
The NHS will never be the same again , but it may recover when half the population is too scared to use any part of it. Itll definitely save a whole lot of money.

Why shouldn't we expect Labour to defend women's sex based rights as well as the NHS? Why ask so little of them?

Do you think that things would be better if we had proportional representation?

I've always considered myself fairly far left. I was a member of the Labour party for years, I voted twice for Jeremy Corbyn as leader.
I voted Green or Plaid in the Blair years.

I couldn't vote for any of those parties now.

It doesn't really matter what I vote, as I now live in one of the safest Conservative seats in the country. My MP is gender critical, so I might vote for her.

If I do, I suspect I won't break my 40 year record of never voting for the winning party in a general election.

I'd vote Labour if they had a chance of getting in where I live. They leave a lot to be desired, but are a million times better for women that the current incompetent, corrupt Tory arseholes masquerading as a government.

In reality I'll vote tactically as I'm in a marginal seat, I'll vote to keep the Tories out.

I used to be a LibDem but am politically homeless now.

I also live in one of those farming & hunting shires where a donkey wearing a blue rosette would get elected normally. Our MP is famously seldom seen here and more interested in managing his money in the Cayman Islands.

In local elections I usually vote for independents and they quite often get elected.

If the local Labour candidate was GC and not captured I'd probably vote for them. But at the moment...no idea. I always vote though, I'd feel like Pankhurst was judging me if I didn't!

I've been a Labour supporter all my life, and still, just, a Labour member even. But my MP is Lisa Nandy. Would you vote for her? I won't. But of course, she'll get it comfortably. The sad thing is, after living for years in a safe Tory seat, I was pleased to be able to cast my vote for a Labour winner. But then came all this garbage.

We will be tactically voting Labour as our local Conservative has been in since I was a teen (I’m 45!) and he’s awful. Labour is the only possible way to get him out. No options look good so tactics it is!

I’ve already said I won’t be voting Tory, but under Labour I’ll lose a lot of access to the NHS anyway, because if I can no longer legally request and be assured of a female HCP for intimate care/treatment, after I was sexually assaulted by a male doctor in my twenties, then I simply won’t attend such things as smears, mammograms, appointments to get lumps checked out etc.

Oh look, an example from today's news of the utter uselessness of the Scottish Greens -

www.heraldscotland.com/news/23957529.entirely-unrealistic-msps-slam-costs-lorna-slaters-latest-plan/

And this is hard on the heels of the piss poor DRS which resulted in every big supermarket near me having a unusable deposit point, built at huge expense, which can't be used until 2025 at a minimum

Out of interest, where have the Tories said they’re going to destroy the NHS? Because I’ve never seen any proof of that.

Is it the assumption that Tories want to privatise everything so that’s extrapolated out to the NHS? Is it the money-for-your-mates PPE scandal (because that sort of thing seems to go on everywhere, not just the NHS and not just Tories)? Or is it the idea that the NHS can’t pay for everything and some people think that it should, and the Tories suggesting otherwise is them “destroying” the NHS?

Some Tories have been very open about wanting to replace the NHS with an insurance based system.

As ever, the devil is in the detail. The USA and France both have an insurance based system. Healthcare in the USA is pretty patchy and there are vastly different outcomes depending on how much people can afford to pay for their health insurance. In France the healthcare system is very good and people on low incomes have access to state funded health insurance to cover the part of their treatment that would usually be funded by private insurance, and some things such as cancer treatment and maternity care are completely free at the point of use.

If we could have a system set up like the NHS which offered the same quality of healthcare as they have in France, I'd defend it to my dying breath. But it sounds like the NHS is in an absolute shambles at the moment and so I don't think it's unreasonable to consider different models.

I don’t think anyone wants to ‘destroy the NHS’ or whatever phrase

We just spent a few years pushing society to the edge with harsh measures and economic impact to keep it going

I think there is not enough realisation of just how much complex care needs (mostly of elderly) have jumped and will jump in next decade or so

What the answer is is up for debate, I’m not sure about a new model as that costs, but it’s probably centres around population health and responsibility and social care. Look after those two more and the NHS would be probably be ok. It takes up a huge amount of taxes, maybe it can be kept

Acknowledging there are other systems that work well. But I wonder who pays more?

It always astounds me that posters think that it is too much to ask a political party to both protect healthcare and women's rights.

I have said this before and I'll say it again, it shouldn't be either or, it would cost Labour nothing (other than pissing of the TRAs and identity politics lobby groups) to appease women. The fact that they don't is on them. Women have every right to demand more from Labour for them to earn our vote.

As a pp has said up thread perhaps the Labour Party enjoy being in the opposition.

I'll leave this tweet here and ask why Labour Party members in the HOL are anti safeguarding in schools?

https://twitter.com/mcashmanCBE/status/1730567854813024511