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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender Criticals - how are you going to vote in the election?

305 replies

ProfessorFlitwick · 27/11/2023 11:02

My political views are centre-left. I am genuinely unsure how to vote in the next election because I am absolutely not voting for any party that supports harmful woke ideology. I am curious to hear how other GCs are thinking of voting next year?

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SerafinasGoose · 27/11/2023 12:48

Spoiled ballot paper with the words ADULT HUMAN FEMALE scrawled over it (not that anyone will truly take note of the reasons why people register a protest vote). This will be the first general election since I turned eighteen that I've felt compelled to do this.

And yes, there are many more bases on which to vote. This is still one of the most serious political battles I've witnessed in my lifetime, women being the ones with the most to lose. And oddly enough, right now the UK represents one of the best hopes of avoiding the fullscale rollback of women's rights seen in Canada and elsewhere.

Once those rights are rescinded they are not coming back.

NoMoreRedWineforFreda · 27/11/2023 12:49

WitchyWitcherson · 27/11/2023 11:59

Spoiling my vote - probably by writing "No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her sex" on the ballot - if my brain allows me to remember the quote 😂if not, I'll probably write "Politically homeless adult human female".

Nice!

I have in the past written ‘Women’s Rights are for Female People’ and been acutely aware of my pencil scratching sounds in the silent hall 😆

might take a nice, quiet felt tip this time!

DifferentlyNextTime · 27/11/2023 12:50

I live in a swing seat constituency and was a card carrying member of the labour party for 15 years, but finally resigned from the party just over 2 years ago because of this issue and because of how Rosie Duffield was being treated at the time. It just seems even worse now. I was a door knocker and many of the other women who knocked with me also resigned. We brought this up at local meetings and were treated appallingly for it at the time and had sharp words from our MP’s office. I received radio silence from Labour HQ when I left and the others were told that they hadn’t received any feedback that this was an issue that mattered. What a lie to repeat to us again and again.

I honestly don’t know how I’ll vote. I’m centre left but it will take many years and a lot of work for me to ever trust labour again. They’re misogynists. I’m at a stage of my life now where I’m very focused on family life and my previously much more competitive career is on the back burner, so the misogyny of the left just seems more obvious every day. I don’t like our local conservative candidate very much but at least he seems intent on not gaslighting 50% of the local population about sex vs “gender”.

EdithStourton · 27/11/2023 12:52

I'll probably take a sticker saying:
If you don't respect my sex
Then don't expect my X
With a big arrow aimed at the LibDem candidate's name.

RebelliousCow · 27/11/2023 12:56

I'll be spoiling my ballot again. I have a full on TWAW Labour MP in a safe Labour seat. She was inserted by the Momentum wing of the party after Louise Ellman ( my former Jewish MP) was bullied out. I cannot stand her. She has the Mermaids logo at the top of her twitter account.

Going forward i'll be voting for an MP not a party. I need to know I can trust and have respect for the candidate I vote for - whatever their political colour.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 27/11/2023 12:56

@TheValueOfEverything I only arrived at this recently. Rewind to 2016 and I thought we all needed to vote Labour to make any difference.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 27/11/2023 12:58

What actually happens to spoiled ballots? Does anyone read/record what is on them or do they just go in the bin?

PermanentTemporary · 27/11/2023 12:58

Tactical vote for Lib Dems to remove the Conservatives. Would be Labour if they had any chance of winning.

The fact that I should think there are a lot of Labour officials who would rather lose the Canterbury seat than see Rosie Duffield in Parliament expresses everything that's wrong with modern politics. Maybe when they start losing MPs due to witch-hunts they will think again.

limefrog · 27/11/2023 12:59

SidewaysOtter · 27/11/2023 12:15

That smacks of "It's not important enough to choose your vote over, women, think of the bigger things".

Well this is one of the most important things to me and I will vote accordingly. And if that means Tory then it means Tory.

Surely whichever way you look at it, a Tory vote doesn't make sense if you care about gender ideology.

The Tories have been in power since 2010 and gender ideology is more of an issue than it's ever been.

OceanicBoundlessness · 27/11/2023 13:00

It won't be labour. Sorry. Not after I had our local candidates shouting at me on my own doorstep and drowning out the female canvasser who was with him who at least seemed to understand some of the gender issues.

MargotBamborough · 27/11/2023 13:01

limefrog · 27/11/2023 12:59

Surely whichever way you look at it, a Tory vote doesn't make sense if you care about gender ideology.

The Tories have been in power since 2010 and gender ideology is more of an issue than it's ever been.

But we know it would have been worse if Labour had been in power because we think the Tories have gone too far and Labour think the Tories haven't done enough.

Grimchmas · 27/11/2023 13:01

Possibly Labour if I can stomach it, because voting is about more issues than this one and fuck what the Tories have done to our country in the last 12 years or however long it has been.

I may well spoil my ballot though. Its a pity they don't record the reasons people give for doing so.

MargotBamborough · 27/11/2023 13:02

PermanentTemporary · 27/11/2023 12:58

Tactical vote for Lib Dems to remove the Conservatives. Would be Labour if they had any chance of winning.

The fact that I should think there are a lot of Labour officials who would rather lose the Canterbury seat than see Rosie Duffield in Parliament expresses everything that's wrong with modern politics. Maybe when they start losing MPs due to witch-hunts they will think again.

The Lib Dems hate women even more than Labour do.

CurlewKate · 27/11/2023 13:02

There are plenty of people in the Tory party who would roll back women's reproductive rights given half a chance. That is one of the reasons I will always vote labour.

cheezncrackers · 27/11/2023 13:03

Probably Conservative, although the last one was pretty shit and the current Lib Dem MP we have is very hard-working and dedicated to the area. But I can't vote for her when she thinks that a man is a woman if he says he is. The Cons have a new candidate for parliament, so I'll be quizzing him. If he's not GC enough, then I'll spoil my ballot (although I hate to do this when women died to give me the vote 😩)

Grimchmas · 27/11/2023 13:04

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 27/11/2023 12:58

What actually happens to spoiled ballots? Does anyone read/record what is on them or do they just go in the bin?

@WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports

There is an attempt to see if a spoiled ballot actually meant to have voted for somebody, but no, the reasons people give or the way they spoil them aren't recorded anywhere.

CurlewKate · 27/11/2023 13:04

Incidentally, an I know anecdote is not data, but our relationship has outlived all but one of the marriages in our circle.

Happyhippos21 · 27/11/2023 13:04

Im in Scotland. I do not want SNP/Greens so I would like to have voted Labour to try and oust them however, I will not vote for Scottish Labour since they all voted for the GRR bill, I have a daughter and therefore to vote for supporters of this bill would be sickening. Any vote for smaller parties or independents is basically a vote for the SNP so I have no choice by to vote Tory and I will do so proudly knowing that I am standing up for my daughters safety and in my opinion, her human rights.

MargotBamborough · 27/11/2023 13:05

CurlewKate · 27/11/2023 13:02

There are plenty of people in the Tory party who would roll back women's reproductive rights given half a chance. That is one of the reasons I will always vote labour.

"There are people in the Tory party who would roll back women's reproductive rights given half a chance" is not the same as "The Tories want to roll back women's reproductive rights".

There are more people in the Labour Party who actively want vulnerable women to be imprisoned with male rapists, which I think is actually worse, given that "rolling back" abortion rights in the UK, if it happened, would most likely mean the legal limit being earlier than 24 weeks. Only one other country in Europe has such a generous limit. They could shave 6 weeks off and British women would still have the second most generous time limit in the whole of Europe.

However, what the Tories want, more than anything, is to win elections. And rolling back abortion rights isn't a vote winner.

NotLactoseFree · 27/11/2023 13:07

Labour. I might have to old my nose a little on the GC stuff - and don't even get me started on Eddie Izzard - but overall, I cannot vote for Tories who have single handedly destroyed so many things, have caused the vast bulk of us to lose total trust in government and who continue to live in a world completely divorced from the reality that the rest of us face.

I also don't believe that labour are as TWAW as they seem. I think it's a combination of them being a bit clueless, a bit spineless and not prioritising the issue.

EasternStandard · 27/11/2023 13:10

I know it won’t be Labour

AdultLounge · 27/11/2023 13:18

I'll probably spoil my vote :(

I can't in good conscious vote for any of them.

SerafinasGoose · 27/11/2023 13:20

That smacks of "It's not important enough to choose your vote over, women, think of the bigger things".

That's been the 'reasoning' women have been hearing since the year dot. 'Issues which concern women are simply not worthy of serious attention. Go and worry your pretty heads about something more important'.

It won't fly.

EasternStandard · 27/11/2023 13:22

oviedo · 27/11/2023 12:13

I was heading towards Labour but the latest Rosie Duffield bullying has scuppered that.

That Labour affiliated LGBT lobby groups have that much power over a pro women MP is very concerning. They will destroy her career

I can’t square that with being GC

So much power to control, it will go up after a win

Waxdrip · 27/11/2023 13:27

Not Labour. Not Tory. Not LibDem. I have always voted Labour but am politically homeless now.

Probably a local candidate. Or the SDP if they field a candidate. Although they aren't a perfect fit for my politics.