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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pussy riot protest abortion laws but use term "womb-holders" instead of women.

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restabove · 26/11/2023 11:15

^www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/61340/1/pussy-riot-storms-indiana-supreme-court-for-god-save-abortion-protest^

Pussy Riot stormed Indiana’s supreme court yesterday (November 14) to condemn the state’s draconian abortion laws, performing a work of protest art titled God Save Abortion that calls on lyrics from the group’s 2012 Punk Prayer action in Moscow.

The action saw members of the band don pink balaclavas as they posed with a giant vulva outside the state capitol building, where lawmakers approved a statewide abortion ban beginning in August 2023.

“We came to Indiana because we care about the most vulnerable groups of people – womb-holders who exist in the red states,” says Pussy Riot’s Nadya Tolokonnikova in a statement, pointing out that Indiana was the first state to outlaw most abortions after Roe v Wade was overturned in 2022. “They are neither seen, nor protected.”

Ironic that the protest is for women, but Nadya can't bring herself to name women, instead using the term "womb holders". I mean "women and trans men" fine. But women are reduced to being "womb holders".

Pussy Riot storms Indiana’s supreme court for ‘God Save Abortion’ protest

The protest group staged the musical protest art action alongside the state’s students, to condemn its draconian abortion laws

https://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/61340/1/pussy-riot-storms-indiana-supreme-court-for-god-save-abortion-protest

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2023 11:18

It's ill judged, as they might now be cancelled for implying that "trans women" aren't the most vulnerable group.

Froodwithatowel · 26/11/2023 11:52

There is no way to win with this lobby, anything related to <the things we mustn't name> is social death however careful you are.

And yes, a bit stupid really to be protesting women's reproductive rights while being afraid to actually name women. Are men and TW/TM really so precious that they cannot bear 52% of the population to be named out loud or to support their rights too without making it all about them? Or is this fear of a lobby group rather than actual people?

Fenlandia · 26/11/2023 11:53

And TRAs accuse us of reducing women to their body parts.

OnTheRoll · 26/11/2023 12:00

Nadya Tolokonnikova is Russian. There is no even such word "womb-holders" in her language. What the hell is she on about?

Fenlandia · 26/11/2023 12:07

OnTheRoll · 26/11/2023 12:00

Nadya Tolokonnikova is Russian. There is no even such word "womb-holders" in her language. What the hell is she on about?

I tried looking it up on Google Translate, and with my rudimentary knowledge of Russian, it sounds every bit as jarring as it does in English.

DuesToTheDirt · 26/11/2023 12:21

How do you hold your womb? You'd have to get it out first?

Or is it more metaphorical, like "passport holders"? Though this suggests it's some kind of extra for which you have to fill in forms and apply to the authorities.

RandySavage · 26/11/2023 12:54

’Pussy’ Riot is very transphobic. It’s about time they changed their name to ‘Front [sic] Hole Riot’.

Tinysoxxx · 26/11/2023 14:01

The front hole is the urethra. Men and women have front holes.
At least they mentioned vulvas I suppose. The vulvas are misnamed vaginas in my experience as a biology teacher.

PriOn1 · 26/11/2023 17:35

I’ve held a few wombs in my time. They were animal wombs, but I believe I would qualify.

Igmum · 26/11/2023 17:39

Womb holder? Makes it sound like I'm just hanging onto it for the moment before passing it on. One careful owner. Bit past it's prime and some dents but a womb of great character.

Abhannmor · 26/11/2023 18:19

They don't really cut through to ordinary people in Russia apparently , because they are known there as Pussy Riot rather than some Russian equivalent.

pronounsbundlebundle · 26/11/2023 18:42

So they're protesting for the rights of medics who perform uterine/ womb surgery?

What rights don't they have?

Edited to add - and vets. Noting the good point above that they don't specify whether the womb being held is human or not.

ArthurbellaScott · 26/11/2023 19:10

RandySavage · 26/11/2023 12:54

’Pussy’ Riot is very transphobic. It’s about time they changed their name to ‘Front [sic] Hole Riot’.

Don't go giving them ideas.

Remember Munroe Bergdorf lectured women for pussy hats being 'exclusionary'.

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/27/munroe-bergdorf-like-please-keep-vaginas-feminism/

Munroe Bergdorf would like you to please keep your vaginas out of his feminism

Female bodies in feminism? Not on our watch!

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/27/munroe-bergdorf-like-please-keep-vaginas-feminism

ArthurbellaScott · 26/11/2023 19:32
Reproductive Rights Love GIF by Mochimochiland

The only gif I found of wombs being held.

ArthurbellaScott · 26/11/2023 19:32

It's twee, but also slightly grisly.

MargotBamborough · 26/11/2023 19:34

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2023 11:18

It's ill judged, as they might now be cancelled for implying that "trans women" aren't the most vulnerable group.

Came here to say this.

DuesToTheDirt · 26/11/2023 20:00

ArthurbellaScott · 26/11/2023 19:10

Don't go giving them ideas.

Remember Munroe Bergdorf lectured women for pussy hats being 'exclusionary'.

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/02/27/munroe-bergdorf-like-please-keep-vaginas-feminism/

I'd not seen that article before, it's so funny. (If any of this is funny.)

ArthurbellaScott · 26/11/2023 20:22

It would be funny had Bergdorf not been employed as an advisor to the Labour Party.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-appoint-model-munroe-bergdorf-who-claimed-all-white-people-are-racist-11270013

'Munroe Bergdorf has said she is "thrilled" to join part of an LGBT+ advisory board for the Labour Party, as well to now be advising shadow women and equalities secretary Dawn Butler on LGBT+ issues.'

Labour appoint model Munroe Bergdorf who claimed 'all white people' are racist

Shadow women and equalities secretary Dawn Butler is being told to reconsider Munroe Bergdorf's role over her past comments.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-appoint-model-munroe-bergdorf-who-claimed-all-white-people-are-racist-11270013

PencilsInSpace · 26/11/2023 22:35

They've been like this for a while. I watched a really awful set they did on youtube at the beginning of lockdown. It contained a rant about terfs.

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