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Bodyshop loses customer support, lol

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EightMonthsScared · 19/11/2023 10:47

Thought I'd post this for people (like me) who emailed their CEO a couple to years ago about how they were alienating their core demographic, us.

Remember how we were dismissed. Oh well.

https://www.ft.com/content/02e5b3dc-62f3-44cb-b55c-8a99cf1b90a

The article doesn't actually (sadly) reference the menstruators argument but I think it's got a lot to do with it. I feel like that was a Ratner moment for the company.

How consumers fell out of love with The Body Shop

UK high street stalwart known for its anti-animal testing campaigns in the 1990s has lost touch with eco-shoppers

https://www.ft.com/content/02e5b3dc-62f3-44cb-b55c-8a99cf1b90a9

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HagoftheNorth · 19/11/2023 11:12

Yes I wrote too 😁

Can’t read the article though, can you archive it please?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 19/11/2023 11:17

The FT is quite Stonewalled, so I'm not surprised they didn't cover the issue. Good to see Body Shop getting its just desserts though.

EightMonthsScared · 19/11/2023 11:19

Damn @HagoftheNorth it let me read the whole thing earlier without a subscription but it's giving me the pay wall now. Balls, I'll see what I can do, sorry.

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EightMonthsScared · 19/11/2023 11:25

@HagoftheNorth

Here's the text!

How cosumers fell out of love with The Body Shop

NOVEMBER 17 2023

Shortly after The Body Shop was sold in 2017, its then chief executive shared a blunt diagnosis of the British ethical beauty retailer’s woes.

“Why should The Body Shop be operating today?,” David Boynton rhetorically asked staff as he sought to reinvigorate the brand under its new owner, Brazilian group Natura.

The retailer known for its anti-animal testing campaigns and environment-friendly ethos had “run out of steam” under its previous parent, French cosmetics giant L’Oréal, he said, recounting the anecdote in a speech.

The same question applies six years later in the wake of Natura’s sale of the 47-year-old chain to European private equity firm Aurelius. The acquisition, which was announced this week, values the retailer at £207mn — of which £90mn would be payable in five years if the company met certain undisclosed targets.

This is a fraction of the £880mn that Natura paid L’Oréal for it. “It’s lost its way,” said Catherine Shuttleworth, who runs digital marketing agency Savvy. “It has lost people who were real avid fans, and it has not connected with new consumers.”

The Body Shop, founded by the late trailblazer Anita Roddick in 1976, was among the first companies to argue business could be a force for good. In the 1980s and 1990s, it earned its place as a household name with products including White Musk fragrance, Dewberry oil and Peppermint foot scrub. The brand helped change 24 laws in 22 different countries by mobilising its customers, including campaigning against animal testing in cosmetics, said Boynton, who stepped down earlier this year.

But other retailers and brands have since caught up with the trend to attract more eco-conscious shoppers. One example is Aesop, the Australian high-end soap maker known for its vegan products, which Natura sold to L’Oréal in a $2.5bn deal earlier this year. “There is a lot more competition in that sphere of the industry,” said Natalia Van Boxel, an analyst at GlobalData. Shuttleworth said:

“They’ve just got to redefine themselves for the modern day but stick back to those ethical and sustainable things because I bet a lot of young shoppers don’t know what we know [about the brand].”

The Body Shop, which has about 2,500 shops in more than 70 countries, has struggled with a slump in sales amid increased competition and surging inflation.

It recorded a pre-tax loss of £71mn last year, according to UK public filings. Revenues slid from £507mn in 2020 to £408mn in 2022, according to the filings. Its UK market share dropped to 0.8 per cent last year, from 1.4 per cent in 2020, and is expected to be flat this year.

Some critics blame Natura for failing to revive the chain. It was the Brazilian group’s mistake to assume that its mastery of selling directly to South American consumers could transfer into running a network of stores in territories it was unfamiliar with, they say.

The São Paulo-based company also owns door-to-door cosmetics seller Avon, which it bought for $2bn in 2019. Thiago Macruz, head of research at Itaú BBA, said Natura took on the “global turnaround of a retailer” with The Body Shop. “It really wasn’t their skillset.” He added: “Even though they had some initial success . . . They were never able to really rethink this company’s growth opportunities.”

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Chersfrozenface · 19/11/2023 11:25

Overpriced as well.

I used to buy their shea body butter. It's £19 for 150ml these days!

I now buy Palmer's cocoa butter products £18.33 for 540g of the solid body butter if you get the bonus jars from Palmer's. And its pledges on palm oil are the same as the Body Shop's.

Yours
Yet another ex-customer

waitholdup · 19/11/2023 11:38

I won't buy anything from somewhere that has an mlm arm

EightMonthsScared · 19/11/2023 11:45

I don't gloat lightly about others' misfortune but really, their arrogance brought this into being.

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SisterhoodNotCisterhood · 19/11/2023 11:51

I stopped buying when they erased women in advertising, social media and even their website. 88 products came up when I searched "men" or "men's" but the search wielded no results when you looked for "Women" or "Women's".
BodyShop has been targeted towards women since its conception but then in trying to be woke instead of just keeping their heads down, insulting no-one and being neutral, they decided to pander to a tiny percentage of the population in the forms of AGPs and MRA's who I don't even know if they do buy BodyShop products.
And to think, the money I used to spend in there.

FrostieBoabby · 19/11/2023 12:04

I used to spend a fortune on body shop stuff but something definitely changed with them and it stopped feeling like a higher quality shop for me. Tend to buy all my smellies from Tesco and Boots nowadays. Unless it's just older me finally twigged to how daft it was paying premium price for stuff that ultimately goes down the plughole.

IcakethereforeIam · 19/11/2023 12:05

I don't think I've spent a penny there since I went in and they'd come up with a two tier pricing scheme, is that still a thing? Nothing I've heard about them since has made me change my mind.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 19/11/2023 12:13

I remember watching a video of Anita Roddick as a case study in the first lesson we did in GCSE business studies in Y10.

The business started out as an idealistic offering that appealed to many people in a sea of cosmetics companies that were all about self-indulgence at all costs. It really stood out.

Putting on my marketing analysis hat for a moment, any business that uses flash-in-the-pan trendy social justice causes like TWAW as a vehicle for getting sales is going to become unsustainable.

Under some of its more recent owners, it hitched itself to stupid causes that its core customer base didn't care about. It conflated "I care about ethical cosmetics production and will pay a price for it" with "I care about every random "cause" going and want overpriced cosmetics to pretend to care about it too." Arguably, their cosmetics production is no longer meeting modern ethical standards, either, with all that plastic everywhere.

Simultaneously, it discredited itself to its consumers with the MLM "party plan" model which is a relic of 1970s Tupperware parties and pushy sales people. I'm fairly sure even Tupperware doesn't do that anymore. The only retail store the MLM party model has worked for in recent years is Ann Summers, and I don't think they do much of it these days either because sex toys are so mainstream now and the idea of a clandestine all-women get-together to talk about orgasms while looking at a catalogue designed for the male gaze doesn't really appeal. It was never going to work with face cream and shampoo!

Their pushy sales people in the 2000s and 2010s put a lot of people off ever going inside their stores. No one likes it when they get targeted and manipulated into buying stuff. It's such a short-sighted strategy (and yet lots of companies are still doing it today).

The social justice crowd are perpetually looking for the next new thing, it has to be young, trendy, an underdog that is taking on the bad guys in Big Business, and the Body Shop isn't that and hasn't been for a long time. They sold out many years ago when they were bought out the first time and they have sailed on their origin story instead of actually doing anything to change the world recently.

I just wish these sort of companies would advertise for a new marketing strategist when they get bought out, there's so much that could be done to save the brand, but they're too busy listening to idiots who don't know what a woman is.

popebishop · 19/11/2023 12:25

They have nice products and I shopped there a lot out of habit. Until they used JKR's blog post about her domestic abuse as a chance to tell her to 'educate herself' and advertise vegan bath bombs.

timenowplease · 19/11/2023 13:06

“It has lost people who were real avid fans, and it has not connected with new consumers.”

How surprising...not. Empty barrels make the most noise.

Feckedupbundle · 19/11/2023 13:11

I'm not surprised. The nearest one to me is always empty. I used to love their sandalwood oil, but haven't even set foot in one of their shops after they went after JKR. I've not spent a single penny on any Avon stuff either,and I used to spend a fair bit there
You reap what you sow.

SqueakyDinosaur · 19/11/2023 13:19

When I was (much) younger, I was a total devotee. Glycerine & rosewater lotion was my only moisturiser throughout my teens and most of my 20s. I adored the little glass pots of lip balm (apricot and kiwi were the best ones). Glycerine soap bars in various scents. Japanese washing grains that it took ages to rinse off.

I think they've really gone astray with their pricing, as much as anything. If I, aged 57 and earning good money, think of them as very expensive for what they offer, then I'm sure loads of other people do too. And yet when I was a student and regularly ran out of money I still stuck to those products.

Chersfrozenface · 19/11/2023 13:22

"It has lost people who were real avid fans, and it has not connected with new consumers.”

Surely that's what market research is for.

To find out why existing customers shop with you, and what they really care about, what they aren't bothered about, and what they dislike.

And to find out who your potential customers are and the same things about their attitudes

EightMonthsScared · 19/11/2023 13:26

@Chersfrozenface yup. And also, they didn't even have to do the market research. We told them where they were going wrong. And they were (pretty much) like, "oh fuck off, annoying women".

So yeah.

I hope they read this thread.

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EightMonthsScared · 19/11/2023 13:28

“It has lost people who were real avid fans, and it has not connected with new consumers.”

Weird that all of their new, shiny demographic isn't keeping them afloat? 😁

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LindorDoubleChoc · 19/11/2023 13:32

I'd like to think it's because customers have turned away after that frightful anti-JKR campaign (and I remember fondly the thread on here at the time) but I think it's more likely to be their very silly prices now.

AutumnCrow · 19/11/2023 13:38

I think they've really gone astray with their pricing, as much as anything. If I, aged 57 and earning good money, think of them as very expensive for what they offer, then I'm sure loads of other people do too. And yet when I was a student and regularly ran out of money I still stuck to those products.

Good point, @SqueakyDinosaur. I remember loving (and buying) the Body Shop's raspberry bathing bubbles when I was an impoverished postgrad.

So they have lost our generation of customers for going after JKR (etc).

And there is no new generation of customers because the products are massively over-priced and the blue-haired 14-40 year olds that they've been pandering to don't want to pay those prices. They go to Lush. Or live at home and use their mum's terfy shampoo and shower gel because it's free.

SqueakyDinosaur · 19/11/2023 13:38

And also that people expect high tech ingredients in skincare. Brands like The Ordinary are offering that at far lower prices than BS.

EightMonthsScared · 19/11/2023 13:50

the blue-haired 14-40 year olds that they've been pandering to don't want to pay those prices. They go to Lush. Or live at home and use their mum's terfy shampoo and shower gel because it's free.

😂

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RandomNutter · 19/11/2023 13:55

88 products came up when I searched "men" or "men's" but the search wielded no results when you looked for "Women" or "Women's".
Well, if you don't exist, you can't really be expected to buy anything. Karma.

Plisco · 19/11/2023 14:01

SqueakyDinosaur · 19/11/2023 13:19

When I was (much) younger, I was a total devotee. Glycerine & rosewater lotion was my only moisturiser throughout my teens and most of my 20s. I adored the little glass pots of lip balm (apricot and kiwi were the best ones). Glycerine soap bars in various scents. Japanese washing grains that it took ages to rinse off.

I think they've really gone astray with their pricing, as much as anything. If I, aged 57 and earning good money, think of them as very expensive for what they offer, then I'm sure loads of other people do too. And yet when I was a student and regularly ran out of money I still stuck to those products.

Same here - I shopped there as a poor student in the 90s. Now I have masses of disposable income but think the Body Shop is way too pricey for what it is. Their mark-up must be astronomical.

They have shot themselves in the foot in so many ways.

Madcats · 19/11/2023 14:07

I am old enough (and Brighton was my local town) to have shopped at the original Body Shop. Likewise I was a fan at Uni. The ethos/experience really changed once it expanded massively.

Our little city has a Body Shop that has to have been in the same location for 25years+. I don't think I've crossed its threshold for 15 years (teen DD went through a Lush phase but tends to nick my L'Occitaine or Elemis).

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