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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Emma Barnett interviews Endometriosis South Coast Steph Richards and Trustee Jodie Hughes

336 replies

ChristinaXYZ · 15/11/2023 13:42

You can listen here - it starts around the 22 minute mark.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001scsj

Woman's Hour - Justice, endometriosis, and Minnie the Minx - BBC Sounds

Women's voices and women's lives - topical conversations to inform, challenge and inspire.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001scsj

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/11/2023 16:46

Emma: 'Do you think someone who isn't trans can run a trans charity?'
Steph: 'Well, yes, look at Nancy Kelley at Stonewall!'
Emma: 'Stonewall isn't just a trans charity.'
Steph: 'Um...'

Hahahaha seriously? Grin

DisingenuousBatshittery · 15/11/2023 16:48

Is that 29 men, in the whole world, ever, with a recorded diagnosis of endo?

lechiffre55 · 15/11/2023 17:43

EB doesn't half shred them to bits with such a calm and reasonable manner but with very probing questions.
As others have already said the whole Emma: 'Do you think someone who isn't trans can run a trans charity?' section is particularly eye rollworthy.
When EB pushed them on the use of the word woman was another example of the two interviewees floundering well out of their depth.
"You do not have to have a womb to have endometriosis" - Jodi Hughes
It just gets worse and worse the longer you listen.

lechiffre55 · 15/11/2023 17:52

It also sounds to me like he gives Nancy "Keeleigh" as the ex head of Stonewall in an example. He can't even get her name right.

Francesgumm · 15/11/2023 17:54

Just listened on BBC Sounds - oh yes very enjoyable - good questioning there from Emma 😁

Lottapianos · 15/11/2023 18:01

'It also sounds to me like he gives Nancy "Keeleigh" as the ex head of Stonewall in an example'

Yep, he does 🙄

GrumpyPanda · 15/11/2023 18:15

FetchezLaVache · 15/11/2023 14:27

Anyone else notice how they were quite comfortable using the word 'men'? Women have to be 'assigned female at birth', but 'men' is a perfectly acceptable term for them to use.

Yes this! All in a context where they should have gone "AMAB" if they were truly "inclusive." (Also, didn't I read somewhere those exceedingly rare cases of endo in males are often tied to female hormones? So screwing over both TW and TM...)

Fififafa · 15/11/2023 18:16

Hurroo · 15/11/2023 16:06

Emma: 'Do you think someone who isn't trans can run a trans charity?'
Steph: 'Well, yes, look at Nancy Kelley at Stonewall!'
Emma: 'Stonewall isn't just a trans charity.'
Steph: 'Um...'

The whole interview is cray-cray. Emma points out that Steph has made Steph's first interview on Woman's Hour all about the handful of men who have endo and the folx who don't identify as women. Then Jodie, the endo specialist, says, in a voice of almost hysterical exasperation, 'We need to move away from the gynaecological side of things...'

Please please someone transcribe it.

Yes the mask slipped there, didn’t it. Not just Steph calling Stonewall a Trans charity but Jodie saying endometriosis is too gynae focused. I mean we can’t leave out the the menz now can we?

Fififafa · 15/11/2023 18:19

Apart from the fact the Steph is male, he is also a really crap spokesperson, so why was he actually hired? Well done Emma 👏

ILikeDungs · 15/11/2023 18:25

EB to Steph: "...do you not see by even in your first interview on Women's Hour raising this about men and about those who don't call themselves women that you are already becoming a figure who is a transactivist at the head of a women's charity..."

Spot on Emma

ILikeDungs · 15/11/2023 18:28

"We have to re-brand as something that men can have to be taken seriously by the MALE system of medicine..."

HumanBurrito · 15/11/2023 18:31

I wish she had probed more about Steph's qualifications and recruitment process. What exactly made them the best person for the job?

CriticalCondition · 15/11/2023 18:32

Not only did Steph misname Nancy Kelley on air they managed to do the same to Emma 'Bartlett' in a tweet shortly after the interview.

It reminds me of a male colleague who never got my name right but never seemed to have the same problem with my male counterparts.

Funny that.

UtopiaPlanitia · 15/11/2023 18:38

HumanBurrito · 15/11/2023 18:31

I wish she had probed more about Steph's qualifications and recruitment process. What exactly made them the best person for the job?

I think Steph’s ‘qualifications' was being a 'noteworthy' appointment in an attempt to bring attention to the charity but it’s not turning out to be the type of attention that was anticipated 🤔

StJulian2023 · 15/11/2023 18:42

Thanks for flagging this, just listened. I thought Emma was excellent. The charity sounded phenomenally flaky.

Also, why does no one ever offer me a CEO role when I’m out for coffee? The selection process sounded…rigorous

nepeta · 15/11/2023 18:51

I am so fascinated by the unaware or subconscious way activists only erase the female sex, as was the case here, too, given that the 'men' they discuss are penis people, right? So at least say amab.

Many of these activists, if not most, are female themselves (including journalists who write 'pregnant people' and 'men having vasectomies' in the same sentence in an article and neither the author nor the editor sees anything odd in this).

So what is driving this?

Is it just the prioritising of all things male? The old sexism working as well as ever below the surface, which makes us respect men more than women and less likely to attack them?

A deep dislike of the female body by female people, given how it is treated in porn and sexual violence and the general objectification?

Or is it that neither trans women nor trans men nor female nonbinary identifiers want to be reminded of the female body by giving it a separate name? Though the reasons here differ, of course, as trans women don't want it mentioned because they don't have it and trans men don't want it mentioned because they have it. But none of these groups cares about the male body existing or having its old name.

Or is it that male transitioners are assertive and demand these changes while female transitioners are not? And women (vulva types) given in while men (penis types) do not?

Sorry for going off on a tangent. This topic suggests to me how women got subjugated in the first place (one of the many reasons only, of course), and I so wish it was not happening for that reason.

FantasticElasticBand · 15/11/2023 19:13

I thought the comment re Nancy / Stonewall was a very telling Freudian slip. To a certain segment, Stonewall is ALL about the T.

yup - you said it out loud.

GCAcademic · 15/11/2023 19:19

Then Jodie, the endo specialist, says, in a voice of almost hysterical exasperation, 'We need to move away from the gynaecological side of things...'

Sorry, but an endo specialist said this?

May as well have added the words ". . . and centre the penis".

Windywuss · 15/11/2023 19:28

@nepeta I had someone in my network who was talking about women being ignored in our male dominated industry refer to women as non-men today. If women are going to start self describing as non men, then we're going to lose all sense of identity and meaningful language.

I mean what if men (as if!) Started being non women... And we all started describing things as what they're not.... Madness !

I'm a non cat loving non man afab 🙈

CriticalCondition · 15/11/2023 19:39

Jodie was a chef with endo who took a bit of a swerve while thinking about becoming a food tech teacher. Jodie is a bit out of her depth now and my female socialisation means I can't help feeling a bit sorry for her.
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TheSpikySpinosaurus · 15/11/2023 19:49

Ooh, what a listen!! Emma Barnett - go, woman.

Arguing about endo with the founder of the endo charity, who doesn't seem to know what endo is...

EarthSight · 15/11/2023 19:54

CriticalCondition · 15/11/2023 15:10

This is Steph. Who won't be stopped 'strutting their stuff' in women's changing rooms, toilets and sports. And hopes terfs go to hell.

So empathetic with women.

Strutting his stuff eh?? 🙄

EarthSight · 15/11/2023 19:55

Just imagine working for that organisation as a woman 😥

AIstolemylunch · 15/11/2023 19:58

That interview is hilarious! Both Steph and the founder sound really, er, not very bright. I really wonder what her PhD is in? It can't be anything medical/scientific can it.

29! you can almost hear Emma saying wtaf! in her head :)