I love Cathy Burke

[Karensalright]

What a woman just watched her about young women and the pursuit of beauty

she is fantastic

Total sellout

I did like her but then she did a program on poverty and expected all her interviewees to elaborate on how much they lived on and she wouldn’t say what her wages are. Double standard. Lost my respect.

I saw the short series she did about women a few years ago and found it very superficial and disappointing. Her interviewing skills didn't seem to stretch much beyond nodding and saying 'right' repeatedly 🥴

No, not thinking 'right' but what I said - not thought through. She says certain things as if she's coming from a feminist or pro-female perspective. And then she says other things that contradict that pro-woman perspective.

For example, she parrots the 'sex work is work' mantra because she is under the impression that it offers dignity to prostituted women. She hasn't thought through what SWIW really means: she hasn't asked why the Job Centre doesn't require all people who can't get other work to prostitute themselves; she doesn't show awareness of the people trafficking and danger and misery of the sex industry... That's why I said she doesn't do joined-up thinking.

Sadly I've met a few people who would consider themselves woke and who are racist, against white people and Jews. I actually had one try and explain to me that it was only racism if it was directed at black/brown skinned people and that you can't be racist towards white people 🙄

Racism needs to involve an element of power which black people don't have over white people so it's discriminatiom rather than racism.

Antisemitism exists though.

Used to like Kathy till I saw her in a documentary where she expressed TWAW and gender criticism is incorrect or words to that effect.

No it doesn't.

That's a particular definition of racism used by some on the left.

You can't just invent your own meanings for words.

not sure i agree with this... the comments made by some people from my culture about white people is definitely racist!

Racial discrimination. There's no power involved and its root is fear.

Racism needs to involve an element of power which black people don't have over white people so it's discriminatiom rather than racism.

No it doesn’t. This definition of racism is just part of an academic theory that has contributed to a minority belief system that YOU have chosen to uphold. Granted this divisive ideology has made a huge leap in popularity over the last several years, but fundamentally it doesn’t stand up so many are now pushing back hard on it. The problem was that most people don’t subscribe to these academic/theoretical definitions around what racism means and knew for them, in real life, it didn’t make sense, but are told they’re racist for not doing so, which isn’t true either. Racist - rightly is a hugely powerful word, no one wants to be that, so being called it, with this definition, tends to shame and shut that person up immediately, because they don’t realise it’s being used to support a political/ideological belief, rather than factually, which is of course the intention as it sweeps away opposition immediately and gives power to the user of this slur. It came from the universities in the US in the 70s/80s & 90s and a significant number MNetters seems to just love parroting it without too much real thought.

You are absolutely right @qwertyuiopasdfgh so don’t believe anyone who tells you otherwise unless of course you read up on it and decide you want to get behind that definition and belief system and spend the rest of life unwittingly committing supposed viciously racist acts without ever realising it and having to impart to your innocent children that they too are born “white privileged” no matter what shit life throws at them.

I am unsurprised. One of the whole points of identity politics is to take resource and attention from people truly at the bottom of the heap (the poor), to give to a bunch of middle-class self-appointed victims. It's the new snobbery, which chimes nicely with the old-fashioned, "Oo aren't working class people grotesque?" of Waynetta's character.

Yes indeed - all the new ‘victims’ are people who’ve identified into victimhood - transwomen (men) being another obvious example.

I once had someone try to explain to me how the Holocaust wasn't anything to do with race, just 'discrimination.' It wan't long after that that Whoopi Goldburg said a similar thing.

Shocking.

Wrong. It doesn’t. This is not the definition under UK law. It’s not the definition most people would use.

It’s a definition used by some people with a particular theory about racism.

I once had someone try to explain to me how the Holocaust wasn't anything to do with race, just 'discrimination.' It wan't long after that that Whoopi Goldburg said a similar thing

That’s absolutely disgusting but not surprising. An awful lot of self-identified anti-racists also seem to have failed to understand that the October 7th attacks were a racist massacre.

I think many of them do understand. But they also know that they get rewarded within their peer groups for pretending not to understand. Which in my view makes it even worse.

Right just been deleted so start again.

some people here are confusing three words, racism, discrimination and prejudice.

Racism is the use of language that demeans somebody on the basis of their none white appearance using words i am not allowed to mention. So saying something racist in nature has an emotional effect on the recipient.

Racism feeds into prejudice so some people will lump in an idea that a none white person holds a certain view value or behaviour.

Discrimination flows from that because for example you might not want to employ a person because you assume things about them based on what you believe about the racial group they belong to.

White people do not suffer from this at all.

As for white privilege I really cannot see how ordinary working poor have any privilege at all.

Jewish people are not a race per se that is why we have the word antisemitism which is specific to them as a group of people who have suffered both prejudice and discrimination and pogroms for many centuries.

i think i might still be a Marxist for those who get it

Well OP how does being called "the thick Irish" fit into your little definition library?
You honestly think that white people can't experience racism?.

@CatOnTheCludgy

Am of Irish heritage. Irish people have as a matter of fact experienced both prejudice and discrimination, and the butt of jokes world wide. But it is not racism, Irish are not a racial group.

I disagree with your explanation OP. It is soaked in CRT.

OP is correct.

One thing, though, white privilege does not mean all white people are privileged, it just means their race is one thing they don't have to worry about.

I used to live in a very multicultural area with a lot of black and Asian people. I recall being on a bus and seeing some graffiti some young people of colour had written. It said “white honk3ys f¥ck off”.

I’m trying not to get deleted - that was racist, right?

OP no-one is confusing terms. We just reject your redefinition of words that already have accepted meanings. And you give us no rationale or evidence as to why we should redefine those words.

Racism is the use of language that demeans somebody on the basis of their none white appearance

All that has happened here is that, for political reasons, you have redefined racism to exclude people who are white.

This is not the definition used in UK law, it’s not the definition most people would use and it’s not a definition that really makes any sense.

There is no rational given for this exclusion of white people from being subject to racism. I mean this So saying something racist in nature has an emotional effect on the recipient applies to white people subject to racism too, and I know this as I have 23 years experience of it.

The concept that there is an intersection between experiences of racism and ‘powerlessness’ or having structurally less power than those subjecting you to racism is an interesting and useful one. But it needs its I own word, because the word racism already has a meaning.

Nationality is included under the protected characteristic of race in UK law. So legally, yes nationality does come under the category of race.