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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I love Cathy Burke

141 replies

Karensalright · 05/11/2023 23:06

What a woman just watched her about young women and the pursuit of beauty

she is fantastic

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ScremeEggs · 06/11/2023 17:26

She's not doing joined-up thinking
Heavens forbid a woman doesn't "think" right!

ScremeEggs · 06/11/2023 17:29

you can take your version of feminism and stick it right up your jacksey
😂
Only if you stick your version up yours first 😁

PronounssheRa · 06/11/2023 17:39

ScremeEggs · 06/11/2023 17:26

She's not doing joined-up thinking
Heavens forbid a woman doesn't "think" right!

See i find this really odd, not being able to criticise a women, simply because she is a women.

Are we also not allowed to criticise Thatcher, or Braverman or Dorries?

BoreOfWhabylon · 06/11/2023 17:43

Never could abide her, long before I knew of her views.

Another woman, lauded for vulgarity. It's not funny and it's not clever.

(See also Miriam Margolyes)

FreddysSquishyBollock · 06/11/2023 17:44

ScremeEggs · 06/11/2023 17:29

you can take your version of feminism and stick it right up your jacksey
😂
Only if you stick your version up yours first 😁

Radical Feminism came first so why not come up with a new name for the crappy-ideology-that-centres-men-in-frocks, rather than appropriate our term?

isn’t appropriation supposed to be A Very Bad Thing in current day Identity Politics?

ScremeEggs · 06/11/2023 17:48

Another woman, lauded for vulgarity
How should a proper lady behave, then?
Good grief and this is supposed to be the feminism board.
Heaven forbid a lady isn't sufficiently ladylike enough in behaviour, or hold "suitable" opinions.

GrimDamnFanjo · 06/11/2023 17:52

Baldieheid · 06/11/2023 12:17

She's a far better actor than I think she's given credit for. Her "Mary Tudor" in the movie "Elizabeth" really knocked my socks off.

I think women who chant the twaw mantra are short-sighted and a tad dim, not able to see the consequences for themselves. Or they're cowards, unwilling to actually state the truth despite being well aware of it.

There are consequences to both pathways. The first seems easier but will have terrible, truly terrible, consequences for women in the long term.

Kathy Burke has her money and her career but it'll disappear in a flash if she doesn't toe the line.

What does she care for women on the breadline?

They can always wank a guy off in a car for the lecky money, can't they?

This.
I used to admire her ask a fellow wc woman who got where she was through her natural talent.
I doubt she gives a rats arse what we randoms on the internet think of her.
But when this madness stops we'll remember how she treated James and others.

Lottapianos · 06/11/2023 17:57

'Another woman, lauded for vulgarity
How should a proper lady behave, then?
Good grief and this is supposed to be the feminism board.'

Nothing wrong with 'vulgarity', I do plenty of swearing myself, but it's pretty tiresome when swearing and being self-consciously outrageous is someone's whole public persona. Kathy Burke is a great actor, but I find her public persona quite irritating, and I don't agree that gender ideology (or pretending to go along with it) is compatible with being a feminist

CorruptedCauldron · 06/11/2023 18:09

Feminism was invented because it was recognised that women, as a sex class, faced discrimination.

Women couldn’t vote, marital rape wasn’t recognised as a crime, women were denied opportunities to thrive and excel and learn. Men took credit for women’s achievements. Women were silenced and kept in the kitchen.

Nowadays, in the UK at least, women are faring better. We have the vote, we have women in boardrooms, women going to university, women making decisions, women playing football for England, we’ve even had female prime ministers. There’s still a long way to go. Workplace discrimination, misogyny and domestic violence are continuing. Healthcare still centres men and often fails to recognise women’s pain as valid.

Women are more likely to die if a male surgeon operates on them than if a female surgeon does the honours. But we’ve still got it good, when you consider that women in Afghanistan are living a new dystopian version of A Handmaid’s Tale.

Kathy’s feminism is for all sexes, all genders. That’s not a feminism I recognise. Black Lives Matter got angry when people started saying “ah yes, but all lives matter”. That’s how I feel about my feminism. Of course, men are important, and of course, men matter. I care about men and I love men. But my feminism centres women, unapologetically. It recognises that women have been crapped upon by men since the dawn of time, and women have been fighting for their rights ever since.

My feminism recognises women, transmen and non-binary females. All have lived experience as female people. My feminism does not extend to transwomen. Genuine, dysphoric TW may well have their own battles to fight, and their own struggles, and I can sympathise with that. However, my feminism does not include male people. Feminism that includes males just becomes a gender-neutral human rights movement, unable to focus exclusively on the disadvantaged sex class it was first set up for.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/11/2023 18:13

Exactly that @CorruptedCauldron 👏🏻

Cosmosforbreakfast · 06/11/2023 18:13

Her character in Gimme Gimme was funny but never been a fan. She disgusts me now.

CorruptedCauldron · 06/11/2023 18:16

FreddiesSquishyBollock - I love Jo Brand, I think she understands the issues very well. She’s spoken before about how women are afraid to speak up on gender ideology.

Cancelledcurio · 06/11/2023 18:24

@NeverDropYourMooncup Yeah she just loved taking the piss out of women on benefits with mixed race children did our Kath, didn't she ? (as did Enfield) Absolutely loved that. How manky and skanky we all were...
She parrotted what The Sun and The Daily Mail was saying at the time (and still comes out with sometimes).
All is forgiven now for Kathy as she sings the praises of TWAW and shite like that.
Kath was lucky as she got very good breaks.Yes she has talent but she got good breaks.It is factually much harder now for someone from a working class background to break out in the creative arts(writing,music, drama) than it was pre2000. And boy does it show...

vernatheraven · 06/11/2023 18:25

Beefcurtains79 · 06/11/2023 07:02

She’s very much TWAW. She also thinks sex workers are very ‘girl power’.

Shes a huge disappointment.

Oh no I didn't realise that.

She's so level headed on everything else

Karensalright · 06/11/2023 18:26

@CorruptedCauldron I tend to agree with pretty much all you say. And i like your use of “my feminism,”

Feminism was not invented though it has evolved over the decades, died as a voice post spare rib which i subscribed to, then beyond the fragments and resurrected over generations. So from the Pankhurst to the Yung, Greer, to Helen John, and our new age thinkers and warriors, JKJ, Phoenix, Joyces Stark, to name a few, i raise my glass too, and all you women here too but we cannot agree on everything because feminism is a broad church and cuts across social strata.

As for Kathy, i loved her programme last night because it looked at the whole image industry..and why women have Botox etc. I think this qualified as a feminist issue.

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Cancelledcurio · 06/11/2023 18:34

@Karensalright I didn't see that programme. Did Kathy mention the many trans women (males) who use cosmetic surgery to attempt to look like pornified versions of women? Now that would have been an interesting issue for her to raise ?

CorruptedCauldron · 06/11/2023 18:41

Was it a repeat of Kathy’s All Woman series, from a couple of years ago? I remember watching one where Kathy talked about beauty, and another episode about motherhood. It was before I fell down the gender ideology rabbit hole and discovered that people I once admired had some crazy Flat Earth-esque views.

I can’t remember much about the content now, but I do recall thinking they were very enjoyable and interesting programmes.

Karensalright · 06/11/2023 18:49

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Battytwatty · 06/11/2023 18:51

Same as most on this board, so disappointed in her. She chose to stand back and throw James Dreyfus under the bus. I will never watch her in anything again. When this whole fucking TWAW is finally over I’m going to enjoy watching Kathy and all the other cowards scrabbling to explain their actions

Karensalright · 06/11/2023 18:51

I think it was a repeat as it was later on last night,

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CatOnTheCludgy · 06/11/2023 18:58

CorruptedCauldron · 06/11/2023 18:09

Feminism was invented because it was recognised that women, as a sex class, faced discrimination.

Women couldn’t vote, marital rape wasn’t recognised as a crime, women were denied opportunities to thrive and excel and learn. Men took credit for women’s achievements. Women were silenced and kept in the kitchen.

Nowadays, in the UK at least, women are faring better. We have the vote, we have women in boardrooms, women going to university, women making decisions, women playing football for England, we’ve even had female prime ministers. There’s still a long way to go. Workplace discrimination, misogyny and domestic violence are continuing. Healthcare still centres men and often fails to recognise women’s pain as valid.

Women are more likely to die if a male surgeon operates on them than if a female surgeon does the honours. But we’ve still got it good, when you consider that women in Afghanistan are living a new dystopian version of A Handmaid’s Tale.

Kathy’s feminism is for all sexes, all genders. That’s not a feminism I recognise. Black Lives Matter got angry when people started saying “ah yes, but all lives matter”. That’s how I feel about my feminism. Of course, men are important, and of course, men matter. I care about men and I love men. But my feminism centres women, unapologetically. It recognises that women have been crapped upon by men since the dawn of time, and women have been fighting for their rights ever since.

My feminism recognises women, transmen and non-binary females. All have lived experience as female people. My feminism does not extend to transwomen. Genuine, dysphoric TW may well have their own battles to fight, and their own struggles, and I can sympathise with that. However, my feminism does not include male people. Feminism that includes males just becomes a gender-neutral human rights movement, unable to focus exclusively on the disadvantaged sex class it was first set up for.

Excellent manifesto!
Well said that woman

Karensalright · 06/11/2023 18:59

I have signed that biological reality petition by btw i hope everyone does.

I went to Stuart Leigh recently and heckled him and left, the comedic circuit are pretty much captured, so to some extent unless I was sitting on millions i probs would not want to put my head above the parapet.

There again i would probably stay silent.

Am off Izzard cos he was in a female loo, not so off with Cathy though disappointed.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 06/11/2023 19:23

@Lottapianos
Nothing wrong with 'vulgarity', I do plenty of swearing myself, but it's pretty tiresome when swearing and being self-consciously outrageous is someone's whole public persona. Kathy Burke is a great actor, but I find her public persona quite irritating, and I don't agree that gender ideology (or pretending to go along with it) is compatible with being a feminist

Thank you for understanding my point about Burke and Margolyes. Nothing to do with being 'ladylike'.

Lottapianos · 06/11/2023 19:45

'Thank you for understanding my point about Burke and Margolyes. Nothing to do with being 'ladylike'.'

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