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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Help id GC transman please?

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HagoftheNorth · 18/10/2023 13:36

There’s a transman who now has strongly gender critical views, but (understandably) hasn’t detransitioned. Does anyone remember who it is?

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Medlady · 18/10/2023 13:38

Scott Newgent?

MargotBamborough · 18/10/2023 13:38

Buck Angel?

HagoftheNorth · 18/10/2023 13:42

Thankyou both, yep Scott Newgent was who I was looking for (will also now have a look for Buck Angel)
💐💐

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Toseland · 18/10/2023 13:42

I don't believe this person whomever it is would have gender critical views! It's a con!

HagoftheNorth · 18/10/2023 13:48

Toseland, Have you seen the interview in ‘What is a woman’? Scott knows full well she’ll never be a man (tho she’d probably pass in some circumstances) and is campaigning to stop medical intervention for children who claim to be trans. Worth a quick google

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EdgeOfACoin · 18/10/2023 14:44

There is also a YouTuber who goes by the name "The Offensive Tranny" who seems to be oddly GC. I haven't watched much of The Offensive Tranny's videos, but this person is an ftm transitioner who apparently identifies as a "mentally ill woman" (according to the "Truscum" subreddit anyway - make of that what you will).

For the avoidance of doubt, I would like to make clear that I do not use, have never used and would not use the term "tranny". This is simply the name used by the YouTuber in question.

GrumpyPanda · 18/10/2023 14:54

There's also a German transman, Till Amelung, whos been quite vocally opposing SelfID and spoken out as a GC ally. Mostly active on Getman Twitter and has several articles out also in German.

DameMaud · 18/10/2023 16:08

Also, Aaron Kimberley and Aaron Teril(?) of the gender dysphoria alliance/Transparency podcast (YouTube or podcast)
They have great discussions inc with Helen Joyce and Eliza Mondegreen

HagoftheNorth · 18/10/2023 17:48

Blimey, there’re loads of them! Why is nobody listening to them & their lived experience?

Oh, wait, is it because they’re women?

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StoatofDisarray · 18/10/2023 17:59

HagoftheNorth · 18/10/2023 17:48

Blimey, there’re loads of them! Why is nobody listening to them & their lived experience?

Oh, wait, is it because they’re women?

Bingo!

Truthlikeness · 18/10/2023 23:06

Buck and Marcus (the Offensive Tranny) both believe their gender dysphoria was so severe that transition was the only treatment, but they educate about the downsides, like vaginal atrophy, and work for better education and protection of minors. Both have had mastectomies and hormone treatment but no 'bottom surgery'.
Scott I believe would not have transitioned medically in retrospect, but he's had a huge number of complications from phalloplasty which will have shortened his life (his own words).
Some transmen (and Scott may fall into this category) don't detransition because their physical changes are so great, they cannot successfully go back to living as women, and so they just remain as they are, though they no longer believe themselves to be men.

HagoftheNorth · 19/10/2023 12:24

Thankyou for the useful summary Truthlikeness

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Bosky · 20/10/2023 13:14

The detransitioners: what happens when trans men want to be women again
The Times - 20 July 2020
https://archive.vn/soEUS

As “Lee” (Debbie Karemer/Debbie Harries/Lee Harries) points out, “physical detransition” is not an option for many people who have “sex change regret”, whether they are male or female.

One of the problems with counting detransitioners, and why many trans activists claim that it is common for detransitioners to “re-transition”, is that often “detransition” can only be a state of mind or, at best, an unconvincing attempt to present to others as a member of one’s sex.

There is no “going back”, ie. presenting as one would have appeared at this point in time if one had not medicalised with cross-sex hormones and surgery.

It would be too dangerous medically for Lee to attempt to “detransition”.

Ritchie Herron (male detransitioner) has also talked about this issue.

The young female detransitioners we see on TV and YouTube who only need to shave, apply make-up, wear feminine clothes, and perhaps a wig, to “pass” as female are lucky, even if their clothes hide the irreversible evidence of the effects of cross-sex hormones and surgery.

Some detransitioners are criticised for continuing to present as the opposite sex but they do not necessarily have much choice in the matter. Maybe as more people detransition after being medicalised it will become easier for them, as “Third spaces” will become increasingly important?

Detransitioned women who cannot convincingly pass as female do not want to use male facilities but equally would, one hopes, not want to scare the shit out of other women by using women-only toilets and changing rooms.

Truthlikeness · 20/10/2023 18:13

I'm not sure it's true that it's easier for detrans females - it seems to me that testosterone makes more changes to a female body than a male on oestrogen - many of them unseen and devastating. Many males seem to have less trouble shrugging off the effects of oestrogen.
Anyone who has had bottom surgery (like Ritchie Herron) - male or female - is going to have a far harder time of it.

Bosky · 21/10/2023 06:53

Truthlikeness · 20/10/2023 18:13

I'm not sure it's true that it's easier for detrans females - it seems to me that testosterone makes more changes to a female body than a male on oestrogen - many of them unseen and devastating. Many males seem to have less trouble shrugging off the effects of oestrogen.
Anyone who has had bottom surgery (like Ritchie Herron) - male or female - is going to have a far harder time of it.

I'm not sure it's true that it's easier for detrans females

That’s not what I said. At all. In fact quite the opposite. Did you read the article that I linked? You realise that Debbie/Lee is female?

Truthlikeness · 21/10/2023 11:27

Apologies - I was just responding to the extract you cited and interpreted the phrase "The young female detransitioners we see on TV and YouTube who only need to shave, apply make-up, wear feminine clothes, and perhaps a wig, to “pass” as female are lucky," as a reference to all female detransitioners, not just those considered 'lucky'.

Bosky · 22/10/2023 02:51

Truthlikeness · 21/10/2023 11:27

Apologies - I was just responding to the extract you cited and interpreted the phrase "The young female detransitioners we see on TV and YouTube who only need to shave, apply make-up, wear feminine clothes, and perhaps a wig, to “pass” as female are lucky," as a reference to all female detransitioners, not just those considered 'lucky'.

And my apologies for being so snappy ❤️

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