Harriet Harman says women are women, or men who are 'certified' women.

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https://twitter.com/roseveniceallan/status/1713176479528300891

'There's a question of what is a woman and what is a man. But I would say a woman is someone who is born a woman or someone who under the GRA 2004 is certified as having transitioned from a man to a woman'.
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'I support the GRA and don't want to see it rolled back. We brought it forward for a very good reason'.

Harriet Harman, at the Fawcett Society event.

Thank you, Julia Long, for asking the question.

It's also my understanding, that the male in question wouldn't pass in a month of Sundays.

It was perfectly obvious to everyone that they were male.

And, of course, hardly any men do pass as women, so again, the initial premise doesn't apply.

If you're going to write legislation for people who want their sex to remain secret, surely you should expect it to apply to more than 0.1% of the cohort you're writing it for?

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has lived in the acquired gender throughout the preceding two years, and

intends to continue to live in the acquired gender until death."

So sexist. And they appear to be really unaware of how sexist it is.

And the fact that we have moved on from the idea that women can, and should, be identifiable by stereotypes.

Yes. Sexist, illogical piffle.

And also, I want to be very much alongside and supportive of those transwomen and transmen who face terrible prejudice and discrimination and threats of violence'.

Receipts or fuck off, Harriet. Come back when you've got something to say about the women who face prejudice, discrimination and threats of violence. And then fuck off again.

You can't acquire a gender, how do you do that exactly?

Are they meant to be catching like a cold, or are you supposed to be able to buy them in a shop?

Sure, it seems they were originally more liberal than may have been required.

From the Goodwin case:

"In this case, as in many others, the applicant's gender re-assignment was carried out by the national health service, which recognises the condition of gender dysphoria and provides, inter alia, re-assignment by surgery, with a view to achieving as one of its principal purposes as close an assimilation as possible to the gender in which the transsexual perceives that he or she properly belongs. The Court is struck by the fact that nonetheless the gender re-assignment which is lawfully provided is not met with full recognition in law, which might be regarded as the final and culminating step in the long and difficult process of transformation which the transsexual has undergone....

Where a State has authorised the treatment and surgery alleviating the condition of a transsexual, financed or assisted in financing the operations and indeed permits the artificial insemination of a woman living with a female-to-male transsexual (as demonstrated in the case of X., Y. and Z. v. the United Kingdom, cited above), it appears illogical to refuse to recognise the legal implications of the result to which the treatment leads."

Yes. That is very concerning.

HH only stating the settled policy. Women are women and individuals with that GRC. This is the mantra and truism for the Labour Party, and how it'll be in govt.

Even now an individual with a GRC can't be compelled to show one, so for everyday purposes, anyone can access a female space.

It's not like barstaff in a pub or bouncer outside a club having the right to demand you show ID if you look much younger than 25.

No woman in a swimming pool or gym or changing room or refuge or book club or dating service will be able to politely request, let alone demand, showing of a GRC.

And even if this was possible, the fact that a Labour govt will make it so much easier to acquire one, means the whole thing is so meaningless.

So HH is right. Once Labour are in charge, a woman is a woman or a GRC holder. And of the latter, many more will be in the next few years. And many more won't even have one, but play on the fact no-one's checking, indeed, can't check.

HH may have hit the skids with PIE, but a half century later, she's helped engineer a situation that is equally dramatic and corrosive of the social fabric. The very essence of progressivism.

Massive vote loser hopefully!

Assimilation?!

'assimilation
/əsɪmɪˈleɪʃ(ə)n/

noun
noun: assimilation; plural noun: assimilations

1. 1.
2. the process of taking in and fully understanding information or ideas.
3. "the assimilation of the knowledge of the Greeks"

• the absorption and integration of people, ideas, or culture into a wider society or culture.
• "the assimilation of Italians into American society"

1. 2.
2. the absorption and digestion of food or nutrients by the body or any biological system.
3. "nitrate assimilation usually takes place in leaves"

Presuming this means 1, and the 2. definition is confined to those who seem so keen on the 'I eat terfs' signs.

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I identify as Harriet Harperson. I like pie. This is disappointing but not surprising.

Why did nobody on the left never push for the sensible, reasonable Trans Women are Trans Women, and Trans Men are Trans Men? That validates people with gender dysphoria in that it gives them the name of the sex class they wish to belong to, while retaining the trans prefix to ensure that there is no muddying of the waters on occasions where sex matters (and it does, frequently).

I think the retention of the trans prefix would have made it so much easier to campaign for and provide third spaces, third sports categories etc. If trans women are women, then I guess I’m not a woman.

I suppose we should be grateful she didn’t say a woman is anyone who says they are one.

But also, first and foremost, a woman.

How disappointing.

She may have the sense to realise that saying so clearly would not go down well with the general public.

But it doesn't really matter, because to all intents and purposes that will be the case, for the reasons @RealityFan has noted above.

The liberal left absolutely idolise HH. In her dealings with Johnson over PartyGate etc, she was viewed as an absolute paragon of virtue, and everything that is good and moral in public service.

Me? I see the personification of the Machiavellian long march thru the institutions and the epitome of the moral bankruptcy of the left liberal consensus in this country, the West in general.

This. She used to be my MP and she was really useless on local issues and her DH at the time tried to claim tax payer money to watch porn, as in a business expense.

Is this (one of) the MP who supported PIE?

Don't you mean look for tractors?

Jesus, if a woman is a woman, or a man with a special piece of paper that no one can ask to see then the question remains, what is a woman?

What will this mean regarding sports?
Will men with a piece of paper that you can’t ask to see, be permitted to join a woman’s team?

Sorry, did someone ask something?
That's so weird, I could have sworn that was a woman. Who are they again?

You get the feeling Labour are just playing us, saying just enough to get elected whereupon their true agenda will be revealed and enacted

Labour can fuck all the way off with this shit, and when they get there, I suggest that they come back, so that they cab fuck off again.

They are the architects of this abominable piece of legislation, and are determined to make it even worse. Fuck. All the way. Off.

And they will put you in jail for correctly sexing someone. They have completely lost the bloody plot.