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'I trust their condemnation' - protester at book launch of 'Sex and Gender'

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ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 13:13

https://twitter.com/Ross_Patterson_/status/1712248223669100908

Student at Edinburgh University admits he 'doesn't know too much about' the book he's protesting at the launch of.

How many people are 'condemning' things they actually have no idea about?

https://twitter.com/Ross_Patterson_/status/1712248223669100908

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ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 13:20

Oh, I beg your pardon. Correction.

Johnny is not a student, he's a member of the staff! 😶

https://twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1712420171262861568

https://twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1712420171262861568

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ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 13:22

And is now claiming to have received threatening and abusive emails.

https://twitter.com/ChemBioJonny/status/1712412204757062087

https://twitter.com/ChemBioJonny/status/1712412204757062087

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quantumbutterfly · 12/10/2023 13:55

Dr Jonny is doing some really cunning stuff chemically. He obviously has a brain somewhere.

I hope next time he attends a protest he has the wit to form and defend his own arguments.

StephanieSuperpowers · 12/10/2023 13:57

You'd expect that kind of childishness from a teenager. Horrifying to think there are adults who are unashamed to admit that they're operating at that level.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 12/10/2023 14:06

How many people are 'condemning' things they actually have no idea about?

Well, it saves you having to think if you can outsource it to other people, I guess. Sort of an intellectual Uber - sit and wait for your opinions to be delivered to you. Not that that's the sort of attitude I'd expect from a university lecturer. Or rather, it's one I'd not expect but am not surprised at the last couple of years. Thinking seems to cause a pain they'd rather avoid to an awful lot of people.

RoyalCorgi · 12/10/2023 14:25

If these past few years have taught me anything, it's that many people one would assume to have at least an above average level of intelligence are in fact as thick as two short planks.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 12/10/2023 14:30

RoyalCorgi · 12/10/2023 14:25

If these past few years have taught me anything, it's that many people one would assume to have at least an above average level of intelligence are in fact as thick as two short planks.

I'm sorry to have to say that I realised that years ago. It was only during the pandemic that I realised how just much of a benefit of the doubt I'd given them.
As in, 'Blimey, I knew you are stupid. I never realised until now just how stupid.'

RealityFan · 12/10/2023 14:35

I love the average level of intelligence here on Mumsnet. Definitely a cut above village idiots like this fellow.

We truly are in The Age Of Stupid. Jonathan Haidt was bang on the money in his book The Coddling Of The American Mind.

ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 14:39

I doubt the phD Doctor is stupid. I'm sure he's very clever.

Which means that Hanlon's Razor's first likely assertion falls.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/10/2023 14:42

ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 13:22

And is now claiming to have received threatening and abusive emails.

https://twitter.com/ChemBioJonny/status/1712412204757062087

... which he won't reproduce on Twitter as it would be damaging to Shereen Benjamin's reputation. Nobody's buying that. I hope she sues him to oblivion.

He has form, apparently. This is from two years ago.

'I trust their condemnation' - protester at book launch of 'Sex and Gender'
Catiette · 12/10/2023 14:43

I find this really scary. Such naive trust in "the authorities" & those with the loudest voices! How many governments & bullies have taken advantage of this kind of naivety throughout history?

The attitude appears to assume that the louder the claims & the more frequently they're repeated, the more reliable they are. Yet history (& common sense?!) shows us that that doesn't always follow. In fact, I'd say it's often the converse. The quieter, more cautious voices are, almost inevitably, going to be heard less, listened to less, & understood less. Yet they're also likely to be those acknowledging the sheer complexity of difficult issues. Inevitably, such voices are less appealing, because they're more challenging to engage with.

I think this is complicated further because, in a sense, he's trusting "expert" opinion at a time when experts are being, often wrongly derided & dismissed - & expert opinion does matter.

But in this instance, the chilling effect created by the unthinking majority to which he appears to belong means other "expert" opinion is increasingly hard to access. Full-stop. And that's dangerous.

Thinking people passively accepting that the more dominant "expert" voices are "correct" to the extent that they're prepared to engage in silencing other "expert" voices without understanding why? That's where the slippery slope towards authoritarianism starts.

Fenlandia · 12/10/2023 14:44

"Intellectual uber" 😆definitely stealing that one.

GiveMeCakeOrGiveMeDeath · 12/10/2023 14:46

Wow. Just browsed his twitter and...wow

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/10/2023 14:49

He's doing all this under his real name. Would anyone here think a person with this sort of social media presence would be a good bet as an employee?

quantumbutterfly · 12/10/2023 14:59

https://www.chem.ed.ac.uk/public-engagement/schools/book-scientist/jonny-dennis

His actual field of expertise is fascinating, but obviously time-consuming. And the issues don't impact him. I wonder if his mum's a terf.

Jonny Dennis | School of Chemistry

https://www.chem.ed.ac.uk/public-engagement/schools/book-scientist/jonny-dennis

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/10/2023 15:01

Must be a quiet day in the lab today, then. He's been very busy on X/Twitter.

Precipice · 12/10/2023 15:04

quantumbutterfly · 12/10/2023 14:59

https://www.chem.ed.ac.uk/public-engagement/schools/book-scientist/jonny-dennis

His actual field of expertise is fascinating, but obviously time-consuming. And the issues don't impact him. I wonder if his mum's a terf.

This page must be at least four or so years old, as it identifies him as a first year PhD student and his Twitter profile identifies him as a post-doc.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/10/2023 15:07

Yes. He has a first degree, MSc and Ph.D., so he can't possibly be less than 25 now. Brain fully mature by that age, allegedly.

IncomingTraffic · 12/10/2023 16:13

In his X/twitter account it says (he/him, all views mine).

Evidently that is a lie. He has quite happily subcontracted several of his views. 🙄

Waitwhat23 · 12/10/2023 16:51

He's now claiming that protesters were kicked and stood on...while lying on the ground outside the entrance doors, grabbing at women's ankles as they entered.

x.com/ForWomenScot/status/1712366485283238051?s=20

x.com/LucyHunterB/status/1712432633412514096?s=20

And when challenged on whether this was a particularly clever thing to do, has said that 'TERF's' should have used the side entrance.

x.com/ChemBioJonny/status/1712396359922250068?s=20

He's a nasty wee laddie, getting off on abusing women.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/10/2023 16:55

After the dismal quality of thinking & open bigotry on display from Open University employees at the Jo Phoenix tribunal, to see yet another uni employee demonstrating toddler level misogyny is depressing.
No intellectual arguments, hasn't read the book but his mates in queer studies say those women are bad women so he's here to shut them up.

#OperationLetThemSpeak in full flow.

StellaOlivetti · 12/10/2023 17:05

Too right, @MrsOvertonsWindow . Toddler level misogyny just about sums it up.

HumanBurrito · 12/10/2023 17:10

when he said the protesters were well-educated, I wish the interviewer had had the presence of mind to ask whether he thought Professors Alice Sullivan and Selina Todd were well educated. I mean, they are several steps up the academic food chain compared to him.

pronounsbundlebundle · 12/10/2023 17:17

He's capable of critical thought, he just enjoys outsourcing his thinking if it means he can hate women whilst feeling smug and superior because he's a common or garden misogynist; so he'll jump on any opportunity to be vile to women.

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