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'I trust their condemnation' - protester at book launch of 'Sex and Gender'

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ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 13:13

https://twitter.com/Ross_Patterson_/status/1712248223669100908

Student at Edinburgh University admits he 'doesn't know too much about' the book he's protesting at the launch of.

How many people are 'condemning' things they actually have no idea about?

https://twitter.com/Ross_Patterson_/status/1712248223669100908

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IncomingTraffic · 12/10/2023 17:19

Looking at his tweets, it seems pretty obvious that he has a personal vendetta against a female colleague. Workplace bullying in action.

I wouldn’t hold my breath to see any evidence of abusive emails or what she actually said that he’s decided (or simply has been told by one of us mates) was offensive and abusive in the meeting.

He’s really digging himself a hole as deep as he can.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/10/2023 17:30

He is achingly stupid.

'I trust their condemnation' - protester at book launch of 'Sex and Gender'
ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 17:34

I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked

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Froodwithatowel · 12/10/2023 17:36
Wizard Of Oz Dorothy GIF

Oh dear.

IcakethereforeIam · 12/10/2023 17:38

Reminds me of that guy in Trump's cabinet who was an honest to goodness brain surgeon but who believed, amongst other batshit things, that the pyramids were built to store grain.

Also, forgive any appropriation, but I'm getting 'back of the bus' vibes from this

'I trust their condemnation' - protester at book launch of 'Sex and Gender'
MavisMcMinty · 12/10/2023 17:42

It’s like debating evolution with creationists - impossible. (My aunt and cousins are creationists, alone and adrift on a family sea of atheism. It’s a head-banging debate that’s best avoided entirely.)

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/10/2023 17:46

Compartmentalisation is a fascinating phenomenon. I've heard of physicists who are fundamental Christians and believe in Young Earth Creationism. How do they do their day job? Is their scientific education and training just a routine that they do without really being convinced by its truth? This young man has been trained as a biochemist and must know about the scientific method, the importance of evidence, testing hypotheses, citing sources, keeping an open mind, etc etc, and yet here we are. He has swallowed hook, line and sinker an entirely unevidenced ideology. We know from his other tweets that he has no time for Christianity, but he's willing to risk his entire career for this other faith-based belief system. Weird.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/10/2023 17:48

Cross-post with Mavis!

ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 17:54

I've linked to the Intelligence Trap several times. But this post has some useful logic terms listed:

https://medium.com/@benkeene/the-intelligence-trap-9114f892d527

Appendix: Taxonomies of Stupidity and Wisdom A Taxonomy of Stupidity

Bias blind spot: Our tendency to see others’ flaws, while being oblivious to the prejudices and errors in our own reasoning.
Cognitive miserliness: A tendency to base our decision making on intuition rather than analysis.
Contaminated mindware: An erroneous baseline knowledge that may then lead to further irrational behaviour. Someone who has been brought up to distrust scientific evidence may then be more susceptible to quack medicines and beliefs in the paranormal, for instance.
Dysrationalia: The mismatch between intelligence and rationality, as seen in the life story of Arthur Conan Doyle. This may be caused by cognitive miserliness or contaminated mindware.
Earned dogmatism: Our self-perceptions of expertise mean we have gained the right to be closed-minded and to ignore other points of view.
Entrenchment: The process by which an expert’s ideas become rigid and fixed.
Fachidiot: Professional idiot. A German term to describe a one-track specialist who is an expert in their field but takes a blinkered approach to a multifaceted problem.
Fixed mindset: The belief that intelligence and talent are innate, and exerting effort is a sign of weakness. Besides limiting our ability to learn, this attitude also seems to make us generally more closed-minded and intellectually arrogant.
Functional stupidity: A general reluctance to self-reflect, question our assumptions, and reason about the consequences of our actions. Although this may increase productivity in the short term (making it ‘functional’), it reduces creativity and critical thinking in the long term.
‘Hot’ cognition: Reactive, emotionally charged thinking that may give full rein to our biases. Potentially one source of Solomon’s paradox (see below).
Meta-forgetfulness: A form of intellectual arrogance. We fail to keep track of how much we know and how much we have forgotten; we assume that our current knowledge is the same as our peak knowledge. This is common among university graduates; years down the line, they believe that they understand the issues as well as they did when they took their final exams.
Mindlessness: A lack of attention and insight into our actions and the world around us. It is a particular issue in the way children are educated. Moses illusion: A failure to spot contradictions in a text, due to its fluency and familiarity. For example, when answering the question, ‘How many animals of each kind did Moses take on the Ark?’, most people answer two. This kind of distraction is a common tactic for purveyors of misinformation and fake news.
Motivated reasoning: The unconscious tendency to apply our brainpower only when the conclusions will suit our predetermined goal. It may include the confirmation or myside bias (preferentially seeking and remembering information that suits our goal) and discomfirmation bias (the tendency to be especially sceptical about evidence that does not fit our goal). In politics, for instance, we are far more likely to critique evidence concerning an issue such as climate change if it does not fit with our existing worldview.
Peter principle: We are promoted based on our aptitude at our current job — not on our potential to fill the next role. This means that managers inevitably ‘rise to their level of incompetence’. Lacking the practical intelligence necessary to manage teams, they subsequently underperform. (Named after management theorist Laurence Peter.)
Pseudo-profound bullshit: Seemingly impressive assertions that are presented as true and meaningful but are actually vacuous under further consideration. Like the Moses illusion, we may accept their message due to a general lack of reflection.
Solomon’s paradox: Named after the ancient Israelite king, Solomon’s paradox describes our inability to reason wisely about our own lives, even if we demonstrate good judgement when faced with other people’s problems.
Strategic ignorance: Deliberately avoiding the chance to learn new information to avoid discomfort and to increase our productivity. At work, for instance, it can be beneficial not to question the long-term consequences of your actions, if that knowledge will interfere with the chances of promotion. These choices may be unconscious. The too-much-talent effect: The unexpected failure of teams once their proportion of ‘star’ players reaches a certain threshold. See, for instance, the England football team in the Euro 2016 tournament.

The Intelligence Trap

The Intelligence Trap: Why smart people do stupid things and how to make wiser decisions by David Robson

https://medium.com/@benkeene/the-intelligence-trap-9114f892d527

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ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 17:55

I left out the taxonomy of wisdom to avoid a mahooosive post.

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pronounsbundlebundle · 12/10/2023 17:56

Maybe you're right but then again I do think there are a lot of men who are incel adjacent and just HATE women. The vendetta against a woman colleague suggests he might just be using gender ideology as a cover for misogyny, rather than truly believing it. Who knows, the result is the same.

ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 17:57

Agreed, but I think there are plenty of people who are in denial about their misogyny, and may use those logical fallacies as part of the maintenance of their cognitive dissonance.

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Waitwhat23 · 12/10/2023 18:13

Anyone posted this yet? Yon wee scrote lies about women shocker

'I trust their condemnation' - protester at book launch of 'Sex and Gender'
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/10/2023 18:14

Yes, I posted it earlier, but it bears looking at twice!

ApocalipstickNow · 12/10/2023 18:19

In that tweet he talks about “gender non-conforming people”- yet I’m still unaware what one has to do to conform/not conform.

Maybe he should write a book listing all the man behaviours and women behaviours then we’ll all know what we are 🤷‍♀️(as I guess he presumed to know).

IcakethereforeIam · 12/10/2023 18:19

On the brightside, I believe the weather outside the venue was really bitter 😊

IncomingTraffic · 12/10/2023 18:26

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/10/2023 17:30

He is achingly stupid.

I only read books about child development is they’re written by children.

I only read books about horses if they’re written by horses.

I only read books about politics if they’re written by politicians.

i only read books about communism if they’re written by communists.

This man has 3 degrees. Admittedly in the sciences. But surely he’s aware of the concept of objectivity (and many other key flaws in his argument).

NecessaryScene · 12/10/2023 18:31

"I only read books about Scientology if they're written by Scientologists" (or Creationism, or whatever) is exactly the correct approach for a True Believer.

ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 18:34

IncomingTraffic · 12/10/2023 18:26

I only read books about child development is they’re written by children.

I only read books about horses if they’re written by horses.

I only read books about politics if they’re written by politicians.

i only read books about communism if they’re written by communists.

This man has 3 degrees. Admittedly in the sciences. But surely he’s aware of the concept of objectivity (and many other key flaws in his argument).

The Three Degrees - When will I see you again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TyipwcgLqg

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/10/2023 18:38

Grin Next time UCU send out a directive to picket a GC event, I assume!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/10/2023 18:44

Men like him are gloriously outing themselves as right wing conspiracy theorists.
Science denying flat earthers, hate women, zero intellectual arguments - just Trumpian allegations about bad women people. It's actually very sad to see and such a waste of what presumably used to be a good intellect.

WrensAreAllDinosaurs · 12/10/2023 18:53

If I write to Edinburgh university and complain about the very obvious online harassment of a female (protected characteristic), Gender Critic (protected characteristic) by a member of their staff would they be compelled to investigate one wonders.

Waitwhat23 · 12/10/2023 19:03

In an attempt to get more attention, the wee narcissist has tagged JKR on Twitter and demanded she comment.

ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 19:08

Oh, dear.

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IncomingTraffic · 12/10/2023 19:19

Waitwhat23 · 12/10/2023 19:03

In an attempt to get more attention, the wee narcissist has tagged JKR on Twitter and demanded she comment.

I’m sure he’s outsourced his opinions on JKR too.