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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Man who sexually assaulted seven women 'wore women’s clothing to lure his victims'

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ArabellaScott · 06/10/2023 12:00

From the CPS:

'A man who sexually assaulted seven women on the streets late at night has been sentenced to a period of 20 months imprisonment suspended for two years.
Ali Ay, 42, targeted women walking alone on the streets of north London in Kentish Town, Islington and Archway on seven separate occasions over a two-year period.
Between April 2019 and October 2021, he approached the victims whilst dressed in women’s clothing, including tutus, fishnets and tights before exposing prosthetic male genitals and sexually assaulting a number of his targets.
Ay showed some of the victims images of male genitalia as he attempted to engage them in conversation.
CCTV was used to identify the vehicle used by Ay which was traced back to his home address.
Ay was arrested at his home address in October 2021, where police uncovered a number of female items of clothing and sex toys that were present during his attacks.
Ay attended Snaresbrook Crown Court on 8 September 2023 where he was sentenced to 20 months imprisonment suspended for two years and made subject to a Sexual Harm Protection Order for eight years.
Melissa Garner, from the CPS, said: “Ali Ay accosted his victims whilst they walked alone late at night in north London.
“He wore women’s clothing to lure his victims and make them initially feel at ease in his company. He told them that he was gay and that they should not be frightened. He then took the opportunity to sexually assault a number of them.
“The prosecution case included CCTV footage and strong witness testimony. We were also able to present a number of the items used by Ay in the attacks including tights and tutus.
“Women should feel safe to walk the streets without fear of attack. The CPS remain committed to prosecuting sexual offenders.”'

https://www.cps.gov.uk/london-north/news/man-sentenced-after-sexually-assaulting-women-streets-late-night

Man sentenced after sexually assaulting women on the streets late at night | The Crown Prosecution Service

https://www.cps.gov.uk/london-north/news/man-sentenced-after-sexually-assaulting-women-streets-late-night

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Chersfrozenface · 06/10/2023 16:20

RethinkingLife · 06/10/2023 16:09

I wouldn't feel at all "at ease." I wonder how readily a woman who walked away and refused to go over might be accused of a hate crime, however.

I wouldn't feel at ease, either, but I've not been brainwashed by queer theory and #BeKind in popular culture online and in the media.

As I said previously, a man wearing sexualised "women's" garments has been normalised.

I mean, any number of posters pop up on here regularly to tell us that young women wouldn't bat an eyelid at such a sight

Edited: spelling

ArabellaScott · 06/10/2023 16:23

RavingStone · 06/10/2023 16:10

Oh I've just remembered where else I've heard about prosthetic dicks used to intimidate women: TRAs protesting - I think - the Labour women's group meeting in West London a few years ago.

Mocking our fear of men, simultaneously reminding us what they can do to us, pretty much unpunished.

https://www.womenarehuman.com/womens-meeting-greeted-by-masked-protesters-smoke-grenades-and-flashing-penis/

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ArabellaScott · 06/10/2023 16:24

Thingstodotoday · 06/10/2023 14:53

So The Islington Gazette is not mainstream media then 🙄?

My first post preceded that second article.

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ArabellaScott · 06/10/2023 16:26

RethinkingLife · 06/10/2023 16:09

I wouldn't feel at all "at ease." I wonder how readily a woman who walked away and refused to go over might be accused of a hate crime, however.

I don't know how well he thought through his outfit, tbh. Undoubtedly he is disturbed. But the CPS seems to think that wearing the outfit was a deliberate tactic. It would be good to read more about the case, transcript, etc.

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Shortpoet · 06/10/2023 16:33

Yes it was Troubled Blood. (One of my favourite ever books)
Huge outrage by people saying JKR was transphobic for having a man dress in women’s clothing and pretend to be gay in order to lure women to be raped and murdered.
That thing that never happens, just happened again.

Man who sexually assaulted seven women 'wore women’s clothing to lure his victims'
Thingstodotoday · 06/10/2023 16:38

ArabellaScott · 06/10/2023 16:24

My first post preceded that second article.

I was responding to the poster who said that the MSM wouldn't mention the clothing.

Chersfrozenface · 06/10/2023 16:53

Thingstodotoday · 06/10/2023 16:38

I was responding to the poster who said that the MSM wouldn't mention the clothing.

OK then, mass circulation media.

Which is what people generally mean by MSM, rather than special interest or local publications with circulation figures of 4,500 or less, like the Ham and High and Islington Gazette.

mumda · 06/10/2023 16:54

So he's someone women should probably make a lot of effort to avoid. Which is why we've got his photo on each story.

ArabellaScott · 06/10/2023 16:55

mumda · 06/10/2023 16:54

So he's someone women should probably make a lot of effort to avoid. Which is why we've got his photo on each story.

Yes, exactly. This man is free and walking the streets. Women are at risk from him.

I googled and found one image that might be him, but I can't be sure and don't want to post it in case it's the wrong person.

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Chersfrozenface · 06/10/2023 17:06

Excellent that it's in one mass circulation paper, anyway.

There's a demographic that won't reach, of course, who would in any case regard the whole story as a lie because it's in the Mail.

ArabellaScott · 06/10/2023 18:04

'The suspect is described as a white male with olive skin, 5ft 6-8ins tall of large build.
'He has dark receding hair and facial stubble. On a number of occasions he has worn a hat and/or women’s clothing. He speaks with a European accent.'

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ArabellaScott · 06/10/2023 18:04

That's from 2021. And that was described as a 2 year campaign at that point.

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Chersfrozenface · 06/10/2023 18:54

ArabellaScott · 06/10/2023 18:04

That's from 2021. And that was described as a 2 year campaign at that point.

Evidently he was arrested the following month, according to the CPS

So it's taken almost two years for the case to get to court and be decided.

Boiledbeetle · 07/10/2023 07:43

'None of the victims were injured.

That was from a police spokesman in the daily mail article. And herein lies the problem. It's assumed that injured just means physically. No thought given at the point the article came out or at the point of sentencing of the psychological injury these sorts of events have on the women involved.

You don't have to be physically hurt for an incident to affect you. All the women this guy approached regardless of what he ended up doing to each individual woman will have the moment of the event stuck in their mind forever and it will affect all of them, to different degrees, when they are out and about.

It's about time the judiciary stopped using the amount of damage done by men on women based on a physical metric only.

(Apologies if garbled I'm not very awake yet)

ArabellaScott · 07/10/2023 10:02

Well, quite, beetle. Also quite odd that a man with an extensive and lengthy career of dressing in fishnets, tutus and hats and assaulting women with a dildo wasn't caught sooner.

You wouldn't think he'd be hard to spot.

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RethinkingLife · 07/10/2023 10:41

It's about time the judiciary stopped using the amount of damage done by men on women based on a physical metric only.

I have family members who have never been able to stay alone in a house again after being burgled. Or who are up to high do and hyper-alert every time they go out in public because they've been mugged/assaulted: this exhausts them.

For all the rhetoric about victim support, victim impact etc., as long as ll this is from the male perspective (and demi-militaristic when it involves the Police), we're nowhere.

maltravers · 07/10/2023 10:45

ArabellaScott · 07/10/2023 10:02

Well, quite, beetle. Also quite odd that a man with an extensive and lengthy career of dressing in fishnets, tutus and hats and assaulting women with a dildo wasn't caught sooner.

You wouldn't think he'd be hard to spot.

The current police attitude would hardly encourage the reporting of such a person.

ArabellaScott · 07/10/2023 11:02

Yes, indeed. I imagine the chilling effect will quite likely have affected this case.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2023 12:50

The current police attitude would hardly encourage the reporting of such a person.

The current police attitude would have him in to give a diversity training workshop.

PaterPower · 07/10/2023 20:40

The current police attitude would have him in to give a diversity training workshop.

He’d fit right in at the Met. Some of their male officers have done much worse.

Ofcourseshecan · 08/10/2023 00:21

Shortpoet · 06/10/2023 16:33

Yes it was Troubled Blood. (One of my favourite ever books)
Huge outrage by people saying JKR was transphobic for having a man dress in women’s clothing and pretend to be gay in order to lure women to be raped and murdered.
That thing that never happens, just happened again.

And the reviewer (in the screen shot you posted) says to anyone who doesn’t think JKR is transphobic “I kindly ask you to go choke”. They just can’t hide their aggression, can they?

Cailleach1 · 08/10/2023 07:12

The 'European' accent is a bit odd. Foreign, I can understand. Would most people be able to place an accent from Albania (in Europe) as opposed to an accent from Afghanistan or Azerbaijan?

Could be a shtick Peter Sellers French accent from the Pink Panther.

PriOn1 · 08/10/2023 08:08

How do you know the person is male, Arabella? I realise it’s statistically likely, but I didn’t see any photos or evidence of sex, so did I miss something? (Genuine question, not trying to be an arse).

I confess, I read the article and wondered if it was a transman. After all, a transman in women’s clothing, even if weird clothing would look less threatening and more approachable. Personally, I would perceive a man in a tutu and fishnets as more threatening than a man dressed in trousers.

Although, of course, now we have to add the narrative that a man in a tutu and fishnets might be part of an oppressed minority, so that my instinctive reaction that he’s more of a threat because of his clothing is so socially unacceptable that women might allow him to approach in case he perceived them as transphobic.

ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 08:19

Well, I suppose there is the theoretical possibility the person is a transman.

Statistically it would be a vanishingly tiny likelihood - given the number of transmen, and the number of female sex offenders.

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