Guardian: increased hate crimes against transgender people

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/oct/05/record-rise-hate-crimes-transgender-people-reported-england-and-wales

The Home Office said the overall fall in the figures could be linked to interim guidance published last year which “may have led to greater scrutiny of the threshold of what constitutes a criminal offence of public fear, alarm or distress”.

However its report noted: “Transgender issues have been heavily discussed by politicians, the media and on social media over the last year, which may have led to an increase in these offences, or more awareness in the police in the identification and recording of these crimes.”

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“These statistics show there has been an overall reduction in hate crimes recorded by police, and the numbers of sexual orientation, race and disability hate crimes all fell.

“Whilst the increase in transgender hate crime may be due to a genuine rise, the biggest driver is likely to be general improvements in police recording.”

Am I right in thinking that "hate crimes against women" and "hate crimes against TERFs" aren't even recorded?

Billy Bragg shares his wisdom:

https://twitter.com/billybragg/status/1709932647731155163

This is being discussed on LBC right now

Yep, you're absolutely right.

They aren't even recognised as hate crime.

Does “hate crime” against trans women still include their wives refusing to go along with their shiny new female identify?

Would these hate crimes be the literal violence of misgendering someone, Would these be crimes if committed against another group?

Misgendering, dead naming, fact shaming, kink shaming and mentioning reality. And other people saying no get your size 13s off my feet, I'm not your mum/carer/youth worker and I have rights too.

I've lost all capacity to care or take this seriously until someone untangles what 'hate crimes' actually means, and separates actual, real harm from whinging and fussbudgeting. This is unfortunately what happens when you shamelessly manipulate people; they get burned out and they stop bloody trusting a word you say.

Btw the list of 'non criminal hate incidents' for women, start with two bloody MPs grinning like clowns under a sign endorsing executing women who stand up for their equality and won't subordinate themselves to men.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/violenceagainstwomenandgirlsdatalandscape

Does 'hate crime' include being stopped from entering the female toilet?

Can someone remind me how many women are killed by men every year? Raped? Assaulted? And yet that isn't hate crime.

From the article

The Home Office said that any instance of hate crime was “one too many” and that it expected the police to “fully investigate” all such incidents and “make sure the cowards who commit them feel the full force of the law”

Nice sound bite

• have the Home Office singled out any other type of crime and told us that any instance was 'one too many' Murder perhaps, domestic violence, VAWG?
• what does this utopia where the government has managed to reach zero hate crime look like? North Korea?
• so women standing up for their sex based rights are now 'cowards' who 'need to feel the full force of the law'

There is no such thing as "hate crime" until you are sentenced and then your sentenced is aggravated, ie increased by you are motivated by hate of a particular group or characteristic.

Just recording stuff that happened to someone that may have been motivated by a characteristic is not "hate crime".

On the BBC too, apparently it seems like TRAs want a boycott of the BBC over that "lesbians being pressurised into sex" article.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66984843

All crimes are hate crimes.

I never understand this terminology.

I wouldn't say, eg, shoplifting is a hate crime

Is anyone better at me than data analysis to be able to see if there has been a proportional rise? Presumably the number of people identifying as trans has risen exponentially in that time so therefore you'd expect the crimes to have gone up?

How does the 'rise' compare to all violent crime? My by account it's still only 3% of all hate crime let alone all violent crime?

A lot of these articles make statements that Trojan horse stuff into the debate without any links to the underlying research.

From the BBC article

Prof Williams's HateLab project uses artificial intelligence to monitor hate speech online to find out if it translates to real-world hate crimes.

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Researchers mapped areas of the UK, particularly London, to identify where online hate speech related to race and religion rose significantly and if there was a corresponding rise in hate crime in those areas.

"Now the picture is emerging that what is said online definitely does have a consequence on the streets," he added.

Prof Williams is telling us that his AI is able to identify hate speech online, accurately locate the region in London where that speech originated and then prove a direct link to rises in hate crime in those regions.

How can he accurately determine what is hate speech? A few key words that the researcher choses?
Is the AI broadly intercepting network traffic to try to identify hate within private messages?
If not then is it trawling publically available forums for messages?
What bias does this introduce?
How can messages be accurately connected to a specific location within London?
How can cause and effect be separated- is it the messages causing the hate or the hate causing the messages?
How can the researcher tell what their AI is actually doing?
How can the data that the AI is producing be tested for accuracy?

All this stuff gets stated in the press with little or no supporting evidence and we are expected to just believe it.

I believe no changes there

@CheckingTheNumbers With a lot of the racist hate targeted towards the England football team, they found a lot of the messages were coming from Asia and the Middle East.

It wouldn't surprise me if the software defines messages as coming from London if it mentions London in the topic.

But it amazes me with all the knowledge about troll farms (usually in countries like Macedonia etc), that this software believes all hateful messages are legitimate. Not a lot of fact checking goes on when it helps boost your argument (or product).

An increase in 'hate crime against trans people' could easily include malicious harassment of women who don't believe in the gender religion being enabled by feckless and captured misogynist police forces who have been Stonewalled into submission.

Unfortunately.

@PaperWalkAndTalk
Other 'open' sources of messages

• comments in online news reports
• comments in you tube videos
• ditto tick tock

All of which are are absolute cesspits of bots and trolls. How could you possibly tell what is real and what is a foreign government trying to influence UK public opinion.

I wouldn't say, eg, shoplifting is a hate crime

It is if you hate paying for things.

Why are you all being so hateful? Hate crime is literally a crime reported to the police and logged as such. Nobody is going to the police about toilets. Take this seriously, how would you feel if it was your child or relation? Racism is by far the biggest hate crime, with around 70%. This government really hasn't helped with its racism and homophobia. This is so depressing, let people just live their lives.

Is a terf a protected characteristic? Thought not.