Anyone else GC and left wing in their politics?

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I am finding the conservative party conference difficult in some sense as I agree with some of their GC policies and attitudes yet would describe my self as a working class died in the will leftie. I really don't like this assumption that being for women's rights automatically means people associate you with right wing politics in general. For me it's simply not the case.

Why is it that poor now associate left with trans rights????

The Labour party conference will be interesting as I think there is a good chance they will form the next govern ment. As a potential government in waiting I feel they would need to solidify sex/gender policies as the conservatives are going to make this an electoral issue.

I would hope that you had room in the broad church Labour party you could have 'GC Labour' akin to a section like 'Jewish Labour' or 'Student Labour' but I wonder how the party apparatus would take to that?

Absolutely left wing and GC. I support trans rights, I just don’t agree with legal fiction and believe it harms women and transgender people.

right wing people don’t tend to be gender critical, they are more likely to believe in gender stereotypes. Being gender critical means you don’t believe that physical sex should have any bearing on that person’s style of dress or behavior. It isn’t a conservative approach to life at all.

Me.

How is compulsory belief in magic genders now a left wing policy?

What a time to be alive.

This is how I see it, too.

Another left wing feminist who's devastated that the left have abandoned women and safeguarding children. Never thought I'd see the day.
Starmer is going to have to make some very clear statements about sex, safeguarding and women's rights if he wants my vote back.
If he's still in the mealy mouthed "of course 99% of women don't have a penis" then he can take the consequences of what is his ultimate betrayal of women and children.

I think labour and Kier Starmer are very clear about what their stance is, TWAW

I'm another politically homeless ex-Labour voter and member.

I did vote for a local socialist party who are GC, in local elections but there's no point voting for them in a GE.

Edited to add: my local Labour MP is Olivia Blake who is a big alphabet supporter and was more than happy to share a platform with Sarah Baker of the 'If you see a terf, punch them in the fucking face' fame.

I don't think that is necessarily true as if enough people feel like you and vote for the GC local party then it sends a message to the local Labour party.

Ditto spoiling your vote. If only 5 people in a constituency do it no one notices, but if 40% of everyone voting did it, then parties would sit up and want to know how they could secure those spoiled votes.

Me too, never voted anything other than Labour because I believe in supporting the vulnerable to improve the lives of the many. GC because I have seen that the more trans activism happens in a school, the more that kids present with all sorts of issues and that’s before they start any life-limiting off-license medication (as opposed to a wait-and-see school where kids are more flexible and chug along with changes they feel month to month without labels). The more we speak up for women and children, and let anyone dress how they want and love who they want without having to word-salad and walk into protected spaces and make others feel threatened, the more we increase respect for women and children and respect for truth and reality (which benefits us all).

Until Starmer and other L politicians can be absolutely black and white about what a woman is (and isn’t), I don’t know who the fuck I’m going to vote for at the next GE though.

Me, I'm a leftie GC.

Have never, and will never, vote Tory. They're abhorent.

Ah yes, it was the same in the London clubbing scene of the early 90s which - unbelievably as it seems to me now (10 pm is a late night) - I was once part of.

As you imply, those guys (NB Mods - all the ones I knew described themselves as male), were all gay, which is no doubt why women felt less threatened by them. Plus, homophobia was so rife and aggressive that I think we felt protective towards anyone gay, however they presented.

I did know a few transsexuals who were, as I would understand it now, AGP, but they were older and I never saw them use women's facilities.

Yes if enough people spoil their votes, especially if they do it in such a way that everyone does the same like a XX scrawled over the ballot paper, then maybe they would notice, but unfortunately, it's too late then if whoever gets in is there for 4 years.
I don't want the Tories in for another term, but I don't want Labour to get a large majority and have free reign to bring in self ID and hate speech laws (which would be used against women who try to protect their rights). I suppose the best I could hope for was a hung parliament or Labour minority and it being noticed that there were a lot of votes spoiled and therefore they are aware that the policies would not be popular with the electorate.

Never heard of "solipsistic" before your post, just looked it up and it is SUCH a good description for the level of individualism at play when self-IDing and expecting everyone else to go along with it.

Adding that to my word arsenal, thank you! ❤

I agree with PPs: I'm angry with leftwing politics in this country and in the US for gifting this issue to the right to make hay with.

It’s ludicrous that any left-winger could support such a solipsistic and antisocial ideology as genderism. It’s the opposite of socialist, in both theory and practice.

I suppose it’s easier to pretend to be a believer, and avoid the risk of losing their job and their reputation. Gutless.

I suppose the best I could hope for was a hung parliament or Labour minority
I realise I'm cutting off the rest of your sentence but for me, a hung parliament or minority Labour government is a far worse option because it would mean a) Starmer being forced to share power with Lib Dem/Green/SNP crackpots and b) the result would probably leave Starmer a dead man walking, leaving the way open for someone like Angela Rayner to take over mid term. And that's when I start to break out in a sweat.

I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, but this is why I honestly can't decide what to do for the best.

Point taken. I just cant see a way out of this that would be good for women

Me neither I think it'll be a case of waiting until nearer election time and then working out the least crap option.

Honestly more and more I,m thinking the tories are actually the least crap option and I never thought I would say that.
Its either 4 years of further corruption and decimation of public services or Labour decimating women's rights and safeguarding.

I honestly feel that the first is recoverable on further change of government but the second would be a massive uphill battle to recover our former rights.. unlike TW who just asked and got given (because men) historically women are ignored and have to really fight hard to make any small gains.

It's so hard isn't it? Because once we have more laws enshrining the lie that people can change sex and thousands more vulnerable young people giving up their future fertility, mental & physical health, relationships & sex lives the consequences don't bear thinking about.
And with labour apparently terminally incapable of prioritising the safety of children & young people over the demands of trans extremist groups... the future looks bleak.

I have never voted Conservative and don't intend to start now. I have no-one to vote for unless the SDP put up a candidate in my constituency.

Used to be but the left wing want to sterilise children, support gay conversion therapy and remove womens's rights. Held my nose through the Corbyn years and waited for the Labour party to come to its senses. Have donated for Labour election expenses even when I havent been a member. Unless they put up a communist or SDP candidate in my constituency (not going to happen) I have a problem. Tories have to do more than they have done so far to get my vote so looks like another spoilt ballot paper. Labour wont get my financial support, that money has gone on crowd funders that wouldnt be necessary if Starmer had any guts.

Me too. I have been described as having an "over-developed sense of justice", so have socialist leanings as I want to make the world a fairer place for everyone. I was once a union rep.

I'm now politically homeless, and will spoil my ballot at the next election.

This is it, both comments. We’ve recovered from the damage caused by crap Tory governments before, eventually. But we’ve never been faced with a forceful and determined, and widely unopposed, male supremacist attack on women’s rights.

It’s like a western version of the Taliban, obviously at a much milder level (so far) because women had much more rights here to start with.

How would society recover from that, when the enforced option, to give up and accept it, is also the easiest?

"Right wing" here is used by the TRA merely as a slur, one of the worst things a person can be accused of, apparently. They make it sound worse by adding "alt" or "far" but they known darn well that most GC women come from the Left.

Don't listen to their slurs.

All the leftwing/progressive people i know agree with me that sex is immutable, and that it sometimes matters e.g in sports and where women and girls are vulnerable and not in control. That children and young people should not be subjected to puberty blockers and/or cross sex hormones for 'gender distress'. And that 'gender identity' ideas are regressive because they're based on gender stereotypes.