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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Eddie Izzard interview with Salon

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ArabellaScott · 04/10/2023 14:18

I've not watched the whole thing, but just landed on:

'we know that, that, in the fetus, everyone's a girl in the fetus'

“I will punch back”: Eddie Izzard responds to transphobia and talks US comedy tour | Salon Talks

Actor and stand-up comedian Eddie Izzard shares why she started going by the name Suzy, in addition to being called Eddie, and looks back on her comedy caree...

https://youtu.be/Ia06hoeshuY?si=1pjPf8-VbRDcSZY8&t=888

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PriOn1 · 04/10/2023 21:15

Hoardasurass · 04/10/2023 17:14

Would that be because all foetuses develop the same until the Y chromosome kicks in or am I repeating the same nonsense as the "scientists "?

It has only recently been discovered that the formation of ovaries is an active process and is not simply due to the absence of the Y chromosome.

How surprising. They sussed out how female development occurs ages after they discovered how male development occurs and developing into a fully functioning female is not simply due to the absence of maleness. All the eye rolls…

”Ovary
In a fetus with XX chromosomes, the gonads are initially indifferent and remain indifferent longer than in male gonadal development. Both autosomal genes and genes on the X chromosome contribute to ovary formation. Ovary-specific transcription factors induce ovarian differentiation; these include FOXL2 (forkhead transcription factor 2), WNT4 (wingless-type MMTV integration site family member 4), RSPO1 (R-spondin 1), and the beta-catenin pathway.[11] Only recently has the differentiation of the ovary been identified as an active and complex process.[12] It is now understood that the absence of an active SRY gene in a chromosomal male will not result in ovarian differentiation but in variable gonadal dysgenesis.” from

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK557601/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK557601/#

agent765 · 04/10/2023 21:26

MariePaperRoses · 04/10/2023 19:51

Eddie Izzard adjusting his cock in public whilst waiting in the queue for the ladies toilet -

I would NOT be waiting in that queue.

If women can have a penis why can't we grow a pair of balls and all walk away until the ladydick has finished (and got the hint)?

Women studiously ignoring the MAN in the queue for the WOMEN'S. They should all leave him to it. If he's too thick-skinned to understand that he's not wanted there despite the dress and makeup, then leaving him to it until he's done actually might sink in.

Hoardasurass · 04/10/2023 21:35

Thanks @nauticant and @PriOn1
What a surprise that it's only in the last few years that we have finally started to look at the development of the female reproductive system

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2023 21:55

Hey Alexa, please give me a definition of the word 'egosurfing'.

PriOn1 · 04/10/2023 22:05

MassiveWordSalad · 04/10/2023 20:51

To be fair to Eddie this is what you get when you Google foetal development Confused

The very first hit talks about 'assigned sex' for fuck's sake.

Wait! If the foetus has an assigned sex, then how is it possible that the doctor assigns it at birth as well? You can’t assign things twice.

Rattatoille · 04/10/2023 22:12

Not sure what Suzy / Eddie is on about, but thought he was quite handsome as a man, and comfortable as a man, also I have absolute respect to any person completing so many marathons back to back a few years ago, I struggle and wheeze trying a 100m "sprint" these marathons were incredible achievement, although I wouldn't have liked to see the state of his feet afterwards!

SunnieShine · 04/10/2023 22:14

He's making a right prat of himself.

ToastMarmalade · 04/10/2023 22:15

I’m just a bit sick of hearing men telling me what women are.

FinneganFois · 04/10/2023 22:17

She's a gutsy lass, that Suzy.

She's got balls !

MassiveWordSalad · 04/10/2023 22:42

I know @PriOn1!

Who the fuck 'assigns' the foetus? God? It's like the enlightenment never happened to be honest.

spookehtooth · 04/10/2023 22:49

MariePaperRoses · 04/10/2023 19:51

Eddie Izzard adjusting his cock in public whilst waiting in the queue for the ladies toilet -

Rubiales, is that you? I meant the photo, I thought it'd show in the quote

LeSlogo · 04/10/2023 22:55

Incoherent, jumping from topic to topic.
He's a bit embarrassing
Please God no to him running in Brighton

RealityFan · 04/10/2023 22:55

MassiveWordSalad · 04/10/2023 22:42

I know @PriOn1!

Who the fuck 'assigns' the foetus? God? It's like the enlightenment never happened to be honest.

And Izzard has the brass balls to call Brexit voters dumbasses and uninformed.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Of course, no matter how unhinged this all is, we all cheer...# let them speak.

HootyMcBooby76 · 05/10/2023 01:42

Do you literally start losing brain cells when you transition or adhere to the gender woo nonsense?
The old "every embryo is female" is based on science that is over a hundred years old. Sex is determined at the moment of conception.

People seem to think that Eddie Izzard is intelligent because he spouts a lot of grandiose nonsense in interviews (a bit like Russell Brand), when really, he has proved time and time again in the last year or two that he is as dumb as a box of rocks.

Even if it WERE true, what does it prove? Is it just another way of saying that men who say they are women actually really ARE women because at one point they were as female as an actual female, or something equally as fucking stupid.

He's a total twat.

OvaHere · 05/10/2023 01:45

HootyMcBooby76 · 05/10/2023 01:42

Do you literally start losing brain cells when you transition or adhere to the gender woo nonsense?
The old "every embryo is female" is based on science that is over a hundred years old. Sex is determined at the moment of conception.

People seem to think that Eddie Izzard is intelligent because he spouts a lot of grandiose nonsense in interviews (a bit like Russell Brand), when really, he has proved time and time again in the last year or two that he is as dumb as a box of rocks.

Even if it WERE true, what does it prove? Is it just another way of saying that men who say they are women actually really ARE women because at one point they were as female as an actual female, or something equally as fucking stupid.

He's a total twat.

Edited

If it was true it would mean every man on the planet was really a woman. If that's the line Eddie is taking then he's not just claiming it for himself is he? He's claiming on behalf of every man who was once a foetus. Which is all of them. 😂

PriOn1 · 05/10/2023 05:20

Do you literally start losing brain cells when you transition or adhere to the gender woo nonsense?

From what some ex-wives have described, particularly those of late-transitioning males, it does sound like “transitioning” can very quickly resemble an addiction, with no consideration of the consequences to others, including the man’s own children. Some of them describe the “coming out” occurring right before important events in their children’s lives, such as sitting important exams, and there are often reports of men spending excessive amounts of money on their new clothes and accessories, again to the detriment of their children.

Eddie does seem to be on a very odd trajectory, with incredibly poor insight into how his actions might affect others and indeed, himself.

TheBushOfYourGarden · 05/10/2023 06:10

In the foetus?!

Tabasco007 · 05/10/2023 07:01

MariePaperRoses · 04/10/2023 19:51

Eddie Izzard adjusting his cock in public whilst waiting in the queue for the ladies toilet -

It if been in that queue I would most definitely politely asked what he thought he was going there and why he thought it was OK to break down women's boundary's- I just to really like him for his alternative comedy, way of people a man, now I can't bare to look at him. Total selfish wanker

OccultGnuNew · 05/10/2023 07:05

AutumnCrow · 04/10/2023 15:06

I imagine witnessing Eddie at a hustings would be like watching a drunk Kenneth Branagh rehearsing for the part of Nero in a terribly avant garde production, constantly forgetting his lines.

I am saddened to report I would pay good money to see this. I thought I was a better person.

Is there any chance he's circled round and started parodying himself?

Tiddlywinkly · 05/10/2023 07:09

I used to have a soft spot for him when he did the "cross dressing". Claiming to be a woman is completely different and "she" now gives me massive ick.

BettyFilous · 05/10/2023 07:29

As someone else said, a picture tells a thousand words. The women around Izzard in that toilet queue are all in trousers, trainers/flat shoes and anoraks or practical jackets. Izzard’s gaudy Bet Lynch-style outfit sticks out like sore thumb. The ‘living as a women’ narrative is based on stereotypes and ignores the reality of most women’s lives.

Tessisme · 05/10/2023 07:38

That photo!! He wants to be recognised as a woman, but he sticks out like a sore thumb among actual women. Attention seeking caricature springs to mind.

user123212 · 05/10/2023 08:54

Tessisme · 05/10/2023 07:38

That photo!! He wants to be recognised as a woman, but he sticks out like a sore thumb among actual women. Attention seeking caricature springs to mind.

😂Short skirt, wearing pink, high heels, make up... = woman, right?!

WickedSerious · 05/10/2023 09:27

PriOn1 · 04/10/2023 22:05

Wait! If the foetus has an assigned sex, then how is it possible that the doctor assigns it at birth as well? You can’t assign things twice.

You can if you follow the Eddie science.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/10/2023 09:47

Wait! If the foetus has an assigned sex, then how is it possible that the doctor assigns it at birth as well? You can’t assign things twice.

Well... you can, if they're the type of thing that actually can be assigned.
Computer variables, for instance. The person who is assigned to make coffee for the team this week.

The problem here is of course is that sex isn't 'assigned'. It's determined by the genes in each foetus.

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