Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was Tory the party leader and the election was tomorrow?

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Just curious to see what the answers here might be.
Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was the Tory party leader and the election was tomorrow?
Feel free to answer any way you like, and I don't care about derailing. The question is quite tongue in cheek, don't take it too seriously, and have fun with it if you want, rant if you want. I'm trying to get a picture of the MN mood.

Aus and NZ are doing well.

On ECHR I don’t think they are corrupt as such (just unaccountable and fallible)

But I do see a divergence between the society I want, ie not where we are currently which is based on a legal lie - which is instilled by the legal framework we need to adhere to by ECHR

I’ll trace back from the extreme event to see why we are here. And that’s where it lands.

A judicial body (the Pope) elected (by Cardinals) from countries that sign up to the it (the Catholic Church) who produced rulings on whether legislation upheld what was understood at the time to be good and correct?

No, not like the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition.

I mean, you could definitely compare what's going on to the Reformation - citing lofty principle as a reason to get the population behind tearing down long-held institutions for the purpose of private gain.

This is just Brexit II really - persuading people that there's an international boogeyman to be defeated, rather than national politicians taking responsibility for making decisions that piss some people off.

Religious bodies use the Bible/divine instruction to make decisions.

The ECHR uses the convention on human rights.

Which bits of the convention are supposed to be problematic? Which decisions would be taken differently by a U.K. court?

What private gain did Martin Luther benefit from?

All cases that go to the ECHR are seeking a different decision to UK or other national courts. If it didn’t take different decisions it would be obselete.

The ECHR has impacted our society though. Via the case that resulted in the GRA

Which still causes problems

Tories are pure pure evil, they have ruined our lives and think it's hilarious. I hope they all get their commupence but they never will. I wouldn't vote for her in a billion years. Or any of them. Because I care about humans and our planet.

Interestingly, why are you all so obsessed with trans people not having rights? Does it actually affect you really? It's worth a debate for sure, but get a life, far more important issues for the country, this is a Tory diversion tactic for people that have little knowledge on politics.

@piesforever
Thank you for blessing us with your deep and wise wisdom.

The ECHR has impacted our society though. Via the case that resulted in the GRA

Yes, but The U.K. wrote the legislation and it specifically allows single sex spaces, sports etc.

The decision revolves around article 8 - right to a private life, and that is not absolute.

Go on, name ONE good thing the Tories have done since 2010.

Nothing to stop another case from the ECHR which says that the government is wrongly allowing too many exceptions.

And obviously the situation we have already is a problem.

@piesforever
I'm curious why your cutoff is 2010.
What did they do in 2010 that you liked?

You're welcome. Guessing you didn't lose loved ones in the pandemic, kids in leaking schools with zero experienced staff, have loved ones face racism due to the government's rhetoric and end up on a ridiculously long NHS waiting list ruining your quality of life because the NHS has been chronically underfunded with no incentive to work in a dangerous environment. Lucky old you eh!!

Erm, they came into government in 2010, or were you not aware? Oh dear!

I guess you don’t live in Wales

Well they have announced that the bully XL will be banned. Should have done it a lot sooner.

We are interested in women’s rights, (it’s the feminism section) which are necessary because of sex. No recognition of sex, no women’s rights. This creates a conflict with people who do not want to have sex recognised. (see also conflict between women’s rights and religious rights). This is all very obvious and discussed at length on these boards, if you genuinely require information.

Are you frequently given to such hyperbole?

Well that’s not working is it given the current state of affairs. A woman can be bared from setting up a rape support group, due to males wanting access

That privacy case resulted in the legal lie that humans can change sex

It’s clearly biologically impossible and institutions react daily to stop this lie being exposed

So yeh I’d say they messed up. Messed up society for women and children for pretty much all time. Unless a country can find a way to reverse it.

They blocked Gender Self Id for a start; they commisioned the Cass Review into children's gender identity clinics; they blocked the ludicrous Scottish GRA; they have insisted on singles sex toilets in school buildings...... and one other very important thing for my city - is that they sent in the commissioners to overseethe failing city council ( Labour run) which was thoroughly incompetent, corrupt, wasteful and stuck in an ideological dead end.

I'm sure there have been other positive measures which have been over-looked too - due to intransigent tribalism.

Martin Luther wasn't in power though, was he?

It's a ludicrous comparison, but I suppose you could say that an ECHR would have helped the people the Catholic Church ripped off through taxes, then would have helped the monks being kicked out of monasteries so Henry VIII could sequester their wealth.

Denying the rights of minorities is often a precursor to a power then taking rights from other groups and becoming a tyranny. ECHR helps to prevent conflict by marking out regimes that are overstepping the mark.

Trans identified people have the same civil rights as everyone else.

What they don't have is women's rights. They are for women and girls and are based on sex.