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Transwoman quoted in the Stage claims to have been a trending topic on Mumsnet last week and to have received 'literally thousands of messages calling them a paedophile'

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BlurredEdges · 29/09/2023 16:44

This was in an article in the Stage today. I don't remember this thread, and I've done several advanced searches and can't see any mention at all of this person in the past year even.

Is this a complete lie?

I've copied and pasted the full text of the article below, and will also post a screenshot.

Horrific’ transphobic abuse on the rise, theatremakers warnNEWSSEP 29, 2023BY GIVERNY MASSO

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Tigger Blaize, EM Williams and Tabby Lamb. Photo: Rocco Redondo Photography
Creatives have warned that "horrific" online transphobic abuse of theatremakers is on the rise, claiming abusers are threatening physical violence and putting them on ’watch lists’.
The theatremakers said that while transphobia was a societal rather than specifically a theatre issue, theatremakers and performers were often a target because they were more visible on social media.
Actor, intimacy co-ordinator and LGBT+ consultant Tigger Blaize said there had been a rise in online abuse over the past 14 months, while others outlined recent incidents of experiencing harassment on social media.
Blaize told The Stage: "Online transphobic abuse is getting worse for trans and gender nonconforming people in many ways, and that includes workers, and some of those workers will be performers.
"I have noticed a rise in it particularly over the last 14 months, beginning last summer with a sudden awareness of the drag story hour protests outside libraries by the far right."
Blaize suggested the increase in abuse had been fuelled by a "hostile mainstream media that spreads lies and misinformation about trans people" and a right-wing government "which appears to be trying to roll back our human rights" as well as "social media companies who refuse to tackle accounts that repeatedly attack marginalised groups".
He said: "It’s clear that the impact [of abuse] on performers’ working lives as well as their lives outside the workplace is hugely detrimental to their mental health, and in some cases their physical well-being."
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Blaize, who is also the vice chair of Equity’s LGBT+ committee, added: "Two artists I know have been threatened with acid attacks, and both have had to move house, both have a direct link to the police in the event of threats of attack."
Actor, poet and movement director EM Williams described transphobic online abuse as a "really big" issue.
They said: "Trans femmes are getting it the worst for sure. They are scapegoated for being ‘cosplaying men who are there to harass women’, which is obviously putting the focus on the wrong person and wrong demographic again.
"Because it’s cis male violence that they’re talking about, but for some reason they’ve included trans women in that, and it’s absolutely wild to me."
Williams also told The Stage of being subject to online abuse when they posted on social media in support of a show that was receiving criticism: "I put a post out – something along the lines of: ‘Why do we want our children to live in shame of their bodies?’ – and I got hounded and had to delete that.
"I wasn’t able to express my free speech on what I felt around an issue that is completely unrelated to me being trans, but they made it about me being trans."
Williams said that people contacted their agent, threatened to come to the theatre they were performing at and find them, and put them on a "watch list".
As a result, Williams had been forced to "[think] a lot more about what [they] put on the internet".
Williams added that online abuse such as this was a factor contributing to mental health issues and higher suicide rates among trans and queer people.
Meanwhile, writer and performer Tabby Lamb said: "I think it’s horrific. It’s one of the things that I have to consider a lot when making work. I would say it’s probably one of the main reasons I don’t act anymore."
Lamb also recalled the transphobic abuse she had experienced, adding: "I’ve had shows that have been protested, we’ve had TERFs [trans-exclusionary radical feminists] book tickets and turn up and start booing and screaming.
"Online, literally last week, I was one of the top trending topics on Mumsnet [...] and I had thousands, literally thousands of people in my [messages] calling me a paedophile and an abuser, because I’m making a show with young people about swimming as a trans person."
Lamb added that the abuse was "so much worse" for trans people of colour.
She also agreed that a rise in such abuse had been fuelled by what she described as "a government that hates trans people".
Mike Lee, executive producer for theatre company Hive North, said that a cast member on the company’s upcoming show – Jock Night at Seven Dials Playhouse – had received online abuse simply for being a vocal trans ally.
The cast member, David Paisley, had been targeted on social media after a cast announcement went out.
Lee said that the venue had "been really good" and had undergone scenario planning to ensure the show goes ahead.
In terms of what theatre companies can be doing to support transgender and gender nonconfirming artists, Blaize called for them to stand by decisions to cast trans performers and performers who speak out publicly, to cast authentically in all roles of marginalised identity and to provide trans awareness training for companies and venue staff.
Lamb and Williams both urged theatre companies to ensure safe transport to and from venues for company members who are at risk, while Lamb also called for therapy and emotional support to be provided to transgender company members.

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Datun · 29/09/2023 23:33

Still, it's vastly reassuring that, in order to seem significant, this person has to pretend that Mumsnetters are taking notice of them.

If Mumsnet have never heard of you, yer no-one, love

IcakethereforeIam · 29/09/2023 23:58

What was it again? Tammy....I want to say....Lame?

RedToothBrush · 30/09/2023 00:13

"Online, literally last week, I was one of the top trending topics on Mumsnet [...] and I had thousands, literally thousands of people in my [messages] calling me a paedophile and an abuser, because I’m making a show with young people about swimming as a trans person."

Wow that really is something. To have a trending topic on MN with literally thousands of people calling you a paedo...

...and all the more impressive given that MN threads have a maximum of a thousand posts.

'Thousands of people'.

So this was a multiple thread thread, which caused people to only post once which attracted many more posters than even the most popular threads, and yet no fucker here actually can remember this thread?

What a fuck nugget. At least know how MN works before you pull that crapola out your arse.

calyxx · 30/09/2023 04:00

There was a thread recently about a current experimental show at the Globe with them in it. It didn't name TL but was identifiably them.

Bosky · 30/09/2023 04:10

Remember the good old days when they were content with claiming there were only six TERFs in the whole world and the rest were socks?

I suppose they can't get away with that now that Mumsnet doesn't let you name-change within a thread.

So now we are legion and all supposedly so obsessed with someone we've never heard of that we turn up mob-handed at stage shows we've never heard of

🤷‍♀️

FictionalCharacter · 30/09/2023 05:17

RedToothBrush · 30/09/2023 00:13

"Online, literally last week, I was one of the top trending topics on Mumsnet [...] and I had thousands, literally thousands of people in my [messages] calling me a paedophile and an abuser, because I’m making a show with young people about swimming as a trans person."

Wow that really is something. To have a trending topic on MN with literally thousands of people calling you a paedo...

...and all the more impressive given that MN threads have a maximum of a thousand posts.

'Thousands of people'.

So this was a multiple thread thread, which caused people to only post once which attracted many more posters than even the most popular threads, and yet no fucker here actually can remember this thread?

What a fuck nugget. At least know how MN works before you pull that crapola out your arse.

Unfortunately it doesn't matter how nonsensical it is. Plenty of gullible "allies" will believe every word.

ArabellaScott · 30/09/2023 06:51

The Stage have posted this utter whiffle? And not checked to make sure that the person's accusations of discrimination and harassment are accurate?

Or can anyone just invent grandiose stories about things that literally didn't happen and publish them as fact these days? Is that not libel against Mumsnet?

I am using literally in the old fashioned sense.

ArabellaScott · 30/09/2023 06:56

This is by a 'Senior reporter'. And used in support of a headline that sounds quite serious.

This is utterly unacceptable.

Unless of course we all missed this 'trending' thread, and all the threats. I'm sure MNHQ could clarify that in 5 minutes.

RedToothBrush · 30/09/2023 08:08

ArabellaScott · 30/09/2023 06:56

This is by a 'Senior reporter'. And used in support of a headline that sounds quite serious.

This is utterly unacceptable.

Unless of course we all missed this 'trending' thread, and all the threats. I'm sure MNHQ could clarify that in 5 minutes.

A senior reporter whose fact checking is so shit they don't know there's a limit to MN threads.

And yes I know about how it doesn't matter what the reality is, only what people believe.

This is a very neat example of that where anyone who knows even minimal facts (number of posts on a thread) would know this is exaggerated nonsense designed to stir up hate in a deliberate and irresponsible way.

Yet we don't see this being challenged from within the community as actively dangerous (and potentially self harming as a result).

ArabellaScott · 30/09/2023 08:16

I wonder if we've got so innured to people talking shit on the Internet that some forget that the professional press is supposed to uphold some standards.

RedToothBrush · 30/09/2023 08:23

ArabellaScott · 30/09/2023 08:16

I wonder if we've got so innured to people talking shit on the Internet that some forget that the professional press is supposed to uphold some standards.

Of course we have.

But it's fucking depressing to see such an obvious example.

Helleofabore · 30/09/2023 08:27

It is a sad fact arabella

Froodwithatowel · 30/09/2023 09:03

ArabellaScott · 30/09/2023 08:16

I wonder if we've got so innured to people talking shit on the Internet that some forget that the professional press is supposed to uphold some standards.

This.

This is a movement that at heart says personal realities based on feelings and thoughts is truer than objective, personally perceived fact, and you're doing wrong to fail to enable someone in their personal living of their dream as if it were a reality. Or interrupting it by pointing out real facts that jar that dream, or protesting that their lived out dream stomps all over your reality, rights and equality. Up to and including requiring that you are legally bound to enable and pretend with them.

We cannot say that some lived out dreams are lovely, but others are not ok when it starts to personally affect us. What was not ok (or sane, because this was never going to end well if you have the basic foresight skills of a small child) was enabling this to be a 'thing' in the first place.

EyesOnThePies · 30/09/2023 09:37

Are they one of the drag storytellers?

There have been long threads anti DQST, that raise safeguarding issues and identified a connection between one storyteller and a paedophile / sex offender? Is it that?

I suppose we can’t know if a poster is receiving abusive / transphobic DMs, but if MNHQ were alerted they would put a stop to it, surely?

Also, not sure if I am remembering right, years ago before the TRAs got going, before the GRA changes were officially mooted, there was a regular MN poster who was Trans. I think their name was Tiggy or Tig something? They went hiking or camping I think. Could it be them?

SpiderMaam · 30/09/2023 10:31
Dinosaur Rex GIF by University of Calgary

David Lammy?

we’ve definitely discussed David Lammy.

Maybe L ammy? T ammy? Wotsisface is confused?

LarkLane · 30/09/2023 12:22

Perhaps it was a certain self identifying policeman? (Currently awol from FWR)
He fits the actor part of the profile for sure.

DewinDwl · 30/09/2023 12:27

@MNHQ this person's claims are damaging to your reputation. Borderline libel?

MagpiePi · 30/09/2023 12:43

Perhaps the Lamb person was hoping a thread would actually be started on MN which could then be used as evidence of the ‘literal violence’ from all the thousands of screaming TERFS here?

If ‘literal violence’ now means ‘calmly discussing a topic and being a bit affronted at unfounded accusations’ and less than 200 is ‘literally thousands’ then his fantasy has become truth.

NitroNine · 30/09/2023 15:42

I mean that’s basically the definition of “literal violence” @MagpiePi - unless someone needs it to be something else, of course. (Why do so many of these rules feel like things Wonderland characters say to Alice?)

BlurredEdges · 02/10/2023 09:31

The Stage have not responded to my email, and the lying, defamatory article is still up in full.

I have written again to MNHQ to urge them to take a stand against this. Stoking up violent hatred against women with outright lies is not ok.

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ArabellaScott · 02/10/2023 09:32

What about IPSO, are the Stage covered by them? Thanks, OP, for all your efforts on this.

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2023 09:35

I think they are?

Filed under 'the' and not alphabetically [weeps], but at least thestage.co.uk is listed here.

https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/who-ipso-regulates/?letters=t

Who IPSO regulates

Newspapers and magazines regulated by IPSO

https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/who-ipso-regulates?letters=t

BlurredEdges · 02/10/2023 09:35

@ArabellaScott yes they are covered by IPSO. As they have ignored my email (sent to multiple editors) and left the article as it is, I will be reporting to IPSO today.

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BlurredEdges · 02/10/2023 09:35

But it would be much better if MN themselves did so, rather than just individuals.

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BlurredEdges · 02/10/2023 09:36

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2023 09:35

I think they are?

Filed under 'the' and not alphabetically [weeps], but at least thestage.co.uk is listed here.

https://www.ipso.co.uk/complain/who-ipso-regulates/?letters=t

Thank you. Are you reporting too?

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