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Transwoman quoted in the Stage claims to have been a trending topic on Mumsnet last week and to have received 'literally thousands of messages calling them a paedophile'

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BlurredEdges · 29/09/2023 16:44

This was in an article in the Stage today. I don't remember this thread, and I've done several advanced searches and can't see any mention at all of this person in the past year even.

Is this a complete lie?

I've copied and pasted the full text of the article below, and will also post a screenshot.

Horrific’ transphobic abuse on the rise, theatremakers warnNEWSSEP 29, 2023BY GIVERNY MASSO

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Tigger Blaize, EM Williams and Tabby Lamb. Photo: Rocco Redondo Photography
Creatives have warned that "horrific" online transphobic abuse of theatremakers is on the rise, claiming abusers are threatening physical violence and putting them on ’watch lists’.
The theatremakers said that while transphobia was a societal rather than specifically a theatre issue, theatremakers and performers were often a target because they were more visible on social media.
Actor, intimacy co-ordinator and LGBT+ consultant Tigger Blaize said there had been a rise in online abuse over the past 14 months, while others outlined recent incidents of experiencing harassment on social media.
Blaize told The Stage: "Online transphobic abuse is getting worse for trans and gender nonconforming people in many ways, and that includes workers, and some of those workers will be performers.
"I have noticed a rise in it particularly over the last 14 months, beginning last summer with a sudden awareness of the drag story hour protests outside libraries by the far right."
Blaize suggested the increase in abuse had been fuelled by a "hostile mainstream media that spreads lies and misinformation about trans people" and a right-wing government "which appears to be trying to roll back our human rights" as well as "social media companies who refuse to tackle accounts that repeatedly attack marginalised groups".
He said: "It’s clear that the impact [of abuse] on performers’ working lives as well as their lives outside the workplace is hugely detrimental to their mental health, and in some cases their physical well-being."
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Blaize, who is also the vice chair of Equity’s LGBT+ committee, added: "Two artists I know have been threatened with acid attacks, and both have had to move house, both have a direct link to the police in the event of threats of attack."
Actor, poet and movement director EM Williams described transphobic online abuse as a "really big" issue.
They said: "Trans femmes are getting it the worst for sure. They are scapegoated for being ‘cosplaying men who are there to harass women’, which is obviously putting the focus on the wrong person and wrong demographic again.
"Because it’s cis male violence that they’re talking about, but for some reason they’ve included trans women in that, and it’s absolutely wild to me."
Williams also told The Stage of being subject to online abuse when they posted on social media in support of a show that was receiving criticism: "I put a post out – something along the lines of: ‘Why do we want our children to live in shame of their bodies?’ – and I got hounded and had to delete that.
"I wasn’t able to express my free speech on what I felt around an issue that is completely unrelated to me being trans, but they made it about me being trans."
Williams said that people contacted their agent, threatened to come to the theatre they were performing at and find them, and put them on a "watch list".
As a result, Williams had been forced to "[think] a lot more about what [they] put on the internet".
Williams added that online abuse such as this was a factor contributing to mental health issues and higher suicide rates among trans and queer people.
Meanwhile, writer and performer Tabby Lamb said: "I think it’s horrific. It’s one of the things that I have to consider a lot when making work. I would say it’s probably one of the main reasons I don’t act anymore."
Lamb also recalled the transphobic abuse she had experienced, adding: "I’ve had shows that have been protested, we’ve had TERFs [trans-exclusionary radical feminists] book tickets and turn up and start booing and screaming.
"Online, literally last week, I was one of the top trending topics on Mumsnet [...] and I had thousands, literally thousands of people in my [messages] calling me a paedophile and an abuser, because I’m making a show with young people about swimming as a trans person."
Lamb added that the abuse was "so much worse" for trans people of colour.
She also agreed that a rise in such abuse had been fuelled by what she described as "a government that hates trans people".
Mike Lee, executive producer for theatre company Hive North, said that a cast member on the company’s upcoming show – Jock Night at Seven Dials Playhouse – had received online abuse simply for being a vocal trans ally.
The cast member, David Paisley, had been targeted on social media after a cast announcement went out.
Lee said that the venue had "been really good" and had undergone scenario planning to ensure the show goes ahead.
In terms of what theatre companies can be doing to support transgender and gender nonconfirming artists, Blaize called for them to stand by decisions to cast trans performers and performers who speak out publicly, to cast authentically in all roles of marginalised identity and to provide trans awareness training for companies and venue staff.
Lamb and Williams both urged theatre companies to ensure safe transport to and from venues for company members who are at risk, while Lamb also called for therapy and emotional support to be provided to transgender company members.

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Datun · 29/09/2023 18:01

I put a post out – something along the lines of: ‘Why do we want our children to live in shame of their bodies?’ – and I got hounded and had to delete that.

Hmmm

ChishiyaBat · 29/09/2023 18:01

I'm no cowgirl, but I know horseshit when I smell it😂

viques · 29/09/2023 18:02

it’s cis male violence that they are talking about but for some reason they have included transwomen

M’lud, may I refer my honourable friend to the YouTube site “Not Our crimes”?

popebishop · 29/09/2023 18:03

Datun · 29/09/2023 18:01

I put a post out – something along the lines of: ‘Why do we want our children to live in shame of their bodies?’ – and I got hounded and had to delete that.

Hmmm

No sweetie, it's the FWR regulars who frequently post that sentiment.
"Stop telling kids their bodies are wrong" is posted fairly often. Never trends with thousands of DMs though!

IcakethereforeIam · 29/09/2023 18:05

There was a thread a while ago that got to 1000 posts about a mixed adult and child swimming session in N Ireland iirc. Safeguarding concerns because parents/nontrans were excluded but that was actual swimming not a show and not recent either.

It's a strange thing to invent though as it's easily debunked. I wonder if Tabby's mixed us up with somewhere else? I'd have thought if it was a big enough story to generate the alleged amount of outrage there would have been something about it on here.

StepAwayFromGoogling · 29/09/2023 18:06

If it's about swimming, I remember there being a post about a trans woman who was walking through the girls changing area when it wasn't necessary and was asked to stop doing so? She was in some sort of club as a leader I believe and all leaders were asked to stay out of the girls area when they were changing? But that was some time ago, not recent.

BlurredEdges · 29/09/2023 18:06

CyberCritical · 29/09/2023 18:01

Sorry @BlurredEdges I'm running on coffee and nervous energy today after a long hard week of work and was not clear. The stuff I've seen is all on Twitter not here. They made a few tweets (x's??? What do we call them now) about being called a paedo in relation to a swim thing. I haven't seen anything on Mumsnet.

Ah no problem, thanks for clarifying. I think it is a seriously defamatory article and has not been fact checked at all. The Stage is (was?) a reputable publication. If I were them, I'd be looking into this as a matter of urgency.

If they don't, then I think it's a job for the PCC.

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Datun · 29/09/2023 18:07

ChishiyaBat · 29/09/2023 18:01

I'm no cowgirl, but I know horseshit when I smell it😂

🤣

TheGreatATuin · 29/09/2023 18:08

Gosh, if they get this wound up when there isn't a thread on them, what's this one going to do?
I agree that MNHQ needs to have a quiet word with their solicitors. That's a pretty serious allegation.
And just a big lol at the idea we have nothing better to do with our lives than spend money on tickets to a show we don't want to see.
The Stage also needs to take a hard look at what they're publishing. They might not be a serious news organisation but they shouldn't be publishing fantasist ravings either without even doing the most basic sense check.

Slothtoes · 29/09/2023 18:10

Would be nice if MNHQ would defend our honour

BlurredEdges · 29/09/2023 18:10

I have heard back from MNHQ. They are aware 👍

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BlurredEdges · 29/09/2023 18:11

StepAwayFromGoogling · 29/09/2023 18:06

If it's about swimming, I remember there being a post about a trans woman who was walking through the girls changing area when it wasn't necessary and was asked to stop doing so? She was in some sort of club as a leader I believe and all leaders were asked to stay out of the girls area when they were changing? But that was some time ago, not recent.

This is something else entirely, and the person claimed they themselves were a trending topic on MN last week. They are a theatre maker, nothing to do with a club or changing room.

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Waitwhat23 · 29/09/2023 18:14

StepAwayFromGoogling · 29/09/2023 18:06

If it's about swimming, I remember there being a post about a trans woman who was walking through the girls changing area when it wasn't necessary and was asked to stop doing so? She was in some sort of club as a leader I believe and all leaders were asked to stay out of the girls area when they were changing? But that was some time ago, not recent.

This one? Man called Anne Coombes who kept using the women's changing room as a 'walkthrough'. He's 'determined' to use women's changing rooms.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12350741/Parents-raised-concerns-transgender-pool-official-using-womens-changing-room-time-young-girls.html

No link to Tabby Lamb (who?) as far as I can tell.

Waitwhat23 · 29/09/2023 18:15

And David Paisley? He's got a fucking cheek. He's got form for using various Police forces as his own personal enforcement arm.

StepAwayFromGoogling · 29/09/2023 18:16

BlurredEdges · 29/09/2023 18:11

This is something else entirely, and the person claimed they themselves were a trending topic on MN last week. They are a theatre maker, nothing to do with a club or changing room.

Yes, I'm aware, apologies if I wasn't clear - I just wondered if they might be the same person - i.e. the OP and The Stage article writer.

IcakethereforeIam · 29/09/2023 18:22

There was that thread about the neighbours 'Indiana Jonesing', perhaps Tabby is the neighbour. There was a stream, perhaps that's where the swimming comes in. Could explain the tarps, they were back drops for the stage!

Other than that, I've got nothing.

Slothtoes · 29/09/2023 18:23

I’m on MN way too much and have never heard of this person.

Is this the new shortcut for Z list talent creatives to get a buzz going about their otherwise non-attention-grabbing work? They manufacture a completely fictional controversy to set themselves apart from their peers?

Datun · 29/09/2023 18:36

Slothtoes · 29/09/2023 18:10

Would be nice if MNHQ would defend our honour

Yes, and their honour too.

They make up different rules for us, they confine us to a completely different board, down in the basement, they had a three strikes and you're out policy, they would have had to defend themselves to their advertisers, who are targeted relentlessly.

They've bent over backwards to avoid accusations of transphobia.

And yet some transwoman actually puts in print that they've been hounded by their members to the tune of thousands!

In The Stage, of all places. It's not exactly obscure.

It's almost like it doesn't matter what you do...

PaterPower · 29/09/2023 18:40

Lee said that the venue had "been really good" and had undergone scenario planning to ensure the show goes ahead.

Isn’t that nice. A bit of fuss online (allegedly) but the venue keeps the booking on and plans around any problems (which I’m 99.9% sure would never have emerged anyway, but hey ho).

Wouldn’t it be… equitable… if the same could be said when women’s events are targeted?

And yeah, I’m on here a fair bit and don’t remember anything about someone called Teddy - trending or otherwise.

MavisMcMinty · 29/09/2023 18:52

Maybe Tabby was one - or several - of the weekly TRAs “weighing-in” on Mumsnet? There’s always one on duty, and although they do indeed get their arses handed to them every single time, it’s via calm, reasoned, evidence-based explanation by the patient articulate MN posters. Nobody is rude, nobody wants to get their posts or accounts deleted, and often in the face of blatant provocation and goading by the avenging TRAs.

LarkLane · 29/09/2023 18:54

I lurk most days and have never seen such a thread. One for the MN lawyers I think.

Getting booed at a performance used to mean that you were a pretty shit actor, not pretending that a MN coach party had turned up.

Literal bollocks.

IwantToRetire · 29/09/2023 18:55

I think it is good if MNHQ takes a lead on making a formal complaint of inaccuracies, and asking for evidence of what was printed in the article as they cant find it.

In a way its so stupid because in terms of the trans community and what is said on FWR they could easily pick out the odd comment here and there that most of us consider straight forward reality, but the dont.

Why make stuff up?

I was going to suggest that if anyone is one twitter you could comment it is complete BS. But turns out you cant reply unless you are mentioned! I MNHQ on twitter??
https://twitter.com/TheStage/status/1707682886147543517

In some ways it is really sad, and if it wasn't so destructive of other people, you would want to find out why someone spends so much time making things up. Surely not because they want to feel important!

IwantToRetire · 29/09/2023 18:58

On another thread I suggested we really need a weekly best of FWR.

Not about the best post by whoever, but a bit like the weekly Glinner summary.

Some of the incidents that get report, eg this one, just show how the trans agenda has invaded everything.

And also the shovel load of BS that is published each week.

ApocalipstickNow · 29/09/2023 19:01

I think it translates as “no one on Mumsnet is talking about me- I’m sure they will now!”

Bingo! You’ve made it!

MavisMcMinty · 29/09/2023 19:03

Heh, of course! That’ll be it! It’s all so horribly narcissistic.