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One in ten men have carried out sex offences against children

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HelenFisksBrownSuit · 22/09/2023 12:28

Have you seen this item?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/one-in-ten-men-have-carried-out-sex-offences-against-children-says-survey-fjhd59fhn

Is paedophilia really this common?
I once heard a man (a psychologist I think) say on Radio 4 that he thought most men look at very young teens or even children inappropriately. It's a very disturbing thought.

One in ten men have carried out sex offences against children, says survey

One in ten British men have carried out sexual offences against children, according to a major survey.The study involving 1,500 British men was carried out by

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/one-in-ten-men-have-carried-out-sex-offences-against-children-says-survey-fjhd59fhn

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MiddleagedBeachbum · 22/09/2023 12:32

I can’t read the article, can you copy and paste?

My first thoughts are is this being spread to normalise paedophilia?

IcakethereforeIam · 22/09/2023 12:40

I hope this archive link will work

https://archive.ph/v6q2y

Enjoy? 🤢

StephanieSuperpowers · 22/09/2023 12:41

I have a friend who worked for a time in child protection and she said something similar - that it's unbelievably common. She found the job intolerable after becoming a mother herself.

HelenFisksBrownSuit · 22/09/2023 12:50

The text:

One in ten British men have carried out sexual offences against children, according to a major survey.
The study involving 1,500 British men was carried out by Edinburgh University’s Childlight unit, a research centre that investigates the risk of sexual exploitation of children and young people, and the University of New South Wales, Australia.
It found that 10.1 per cent of men admitted they had engaged in child sexual offending, either online or offline.
Almost one in twenty (4.8 per cent) of those surveyed said they had had sexual contact with a child when they themselves were aged 18 or older.
The results also showed that 5 per cent of British men had sexual feelings towards children and had acted upon those feelings, while an additional 7 per cent admitted to having sexual feelings towards children but did not act on them.
The findings have raised concerns that there is a “public health emergency” with a rapid increase of child sex abuse online.

Dr Michael Salter, an associate professor at the University of New South Wales and member of Childlight, said the government needed to take immediate action to protect children.

There have been growing concerns about the increase in online child sex abuse. Last year the US-based National Center for Missing & Exploited Children’s CyberTipline received more than 310,000 referrals of suspected incidents of online sexual exploitation of children in the UK.

It is estimated one in four girls and one in five boys have been sexually abused, according to the International Society for the Prevention of Child Abuse & Neglect (ISPCAN).

Salter said the rise in online child sex offences was part of a global trend over the past two decades, adding that an unregulated online environment was a direct cause of sexual offending against children.

“Sex offenders are using encrypted social media apps at much higher rates than non-offenders. Encrypted apps and privacy services are highly appealing to sex offending. They are in fact a key consumer base for encrypted social media services,” he said.
The Online Safety Bill, which was passed by the House of Lords this week, is designed to protect children online and combat illegal and harmful material.
Salter said such legislation was “very important in terms of holding technology companies accountable and responsible where they provide a conducive environment to the sexual abuse of children”.
He added that the study showed that viewing extreme and deviant online pornography was an indicator of perpetrating child sexual abuse. “Men who are sexually offending against children are watching a lot more online pornography but also the type of content they are consuming is very deviant,” he said. “It is more likely to be violent. It’s more likely to be forceful. It’s more likely to depict, for example, sex with animals.”

Salter said the findings should be a signal to men who are “consuming a lot of pornography, and are consuming a lot of extreme deviant pornography, that they really need to put their hand up and start to access support services because some of those men are going to pose a risk to children”.
The study was carried out using an anonymised online survey in which men were asked questions about their sexual behaviour. Previous research has shown that when asked questions anonymously participants responded truthfully.
The results of the research come before a meeting of child protection professionals in Edinburgh next week for the ISPCAN Congress, during which they will discuss ideas to reduce child trauma.
Pragathi Tummala, the chief executive of ISPCAN, said: “We have to protect and detect issues wherever children live, go to school, go online, play sports, and everywhere in between when they are vulnerable to harm.”

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goldbraid · 22/09/2023 12:50

Awful and depressing, I was walking in a shopping centre and there was a young girl walking with her mum and younger sister ahead of me she was wearing leggings and a crop top like a sports bra really. I could see men walking in the opposite direction eyeing her up as they went past her men from late teens to late 50's. When she turned round I saw that she must only be about 11 or 12. It was grim and I did think why does her mother let her dress like that but then why shouldn't she wear what she wants, she's only a little girl, its men who are in the wrong for leering at kids.

My niece is 9 and wears similar clothes and I know there will be men that look at her like that and its just sickening and probably what they wear won't make too much difference.

JamSandle · 22/09/2023 12:51

A man once told me all men think it and would do it if they could get away with it.

I'm not a man so have no idea.

goldbraid · 22/09/2023 12:52

@HelenFisksBrownSuit It does sound like the internet is a serious issue and puts children at real additional risk. I also wonder how much online porn contributes to this, men spending hours in a porn / masturbation fug driven to ever more extreme content and behaviours.

JamSandle · 22/09/2023 12:52

I also remember getting the most attention from men in my life in secondary school in my school uniform. Even with messy hair, no makeup and acne. It's revolting.

Nonplusultra · 22/09/2023 12:53

I think it’s probably more than that.

goldbraid · 22/09/2023 12:55

@JamSandle Yes me too, I was once taken to the cinema by a man in his mid 30's when I was only 14. It was only his flatmate that stopped god knows what happening to me. I agree I wasn't attractive then I was very much like a scruffy little girl but I suppose the fact that I had no power or control of the situation or that he could easily make me feel like I was special meant that it was very easy for him to manipulate me.

JamSandle · 22/09/2023 12:56

goldbraid · 22/09/2023 12:55

@JamSandle Yes me too, I was once taken to the cinema by a man in his mid 30's when I was only 14. It was only his flatmate that stopped god knows what happening to me. I agree I wasn't attractive then I was very much like a scruffy little girl but I suppose the fact that I had no power or control of the situation or that he could easily make me feel like I was special meant that it was very easy for him to manipulate me.

Yes!

I wasn't a 'hot' teenager.

I was awkward, gangly and spotty.

I think it is the idea of power and control over someone young.

RealityFan · 22/09/2023 13:00

Man here. I'm both not surprised yet totally perturbed by this report. Unfortunately the problem is also exacerbated by misogyny. Is it any "worse" than the past? Statistically, maybe, but not clear. Are we more aware of it? Evidently by this article, yes. Are there more avenues for men? Undoubtedly, yes.

For me, the main difference between now and "then", is societal indifference, blurring of boundaries, reduction in custodial sentences, the metastasisation of porn and sex work, and lobby group widening of the thin end.

There is genuinely less social stigma, so if perps or potential perps feel less isolated, less hemmed in, less judged, well, their bad behaviour will worsen and increase. Across the board.

Worldgonecrazy · 22/09/2023 13:06

Not surprised. 97% of women will be sexually assaulted at some point in their lives. One in four will be the victim of domestic abuse. Even if we allow for some men being repeat offenders that’s a huge proportion of abusive males.

It sickens me to know that if the 100 men I work, 10 are statistically likely to be abusers and commit violence against women and girls. Which 10? I have a good working relationship with all of them.

Motorbike311 · 22/09/2023 13:08

JamSandle · 22/09/2023 12:51

A man once told me all men think it and would do it if they could get away with it.

I'm not a man so have no idea.

This is not in the slightest bit true, as a man I would never even think about it let alone do it, I cant even read newspaper reports about it.

However, I do expect the 1 in 10 is probably about right.

namitynamechange · 22/09/2023 13:17

1 in 10 feels about right. The "all men think it" is the sort of thing people DO say to normalise it/justify it. The same way that the line of "they are just trying to police normal male sexuality" gets used (and of course that is also an appeal to regular men who don't want their sexuality policed). But that's a whole other discussion.

ReadRum · 22/09/2023 13:17

Probably anyone who’s been a teenage girl finds this plausible.

Iwasafool · 22/09/2023 13:23

So are they talking about under 18s? I'd think more men than that have had thoughts or actions regarding 16 and 17 year old girls. 18 year old sixth former with a 16 or 17 year old sixth former is no issue is it and when they say Almost one in twenty (4.8 per cent) of those surveyed said they had had sexual contact with a child when they themselves were aged 18 or older. That could easily be two sixth formers and I'd be surprised if that was as low as 4.8 per cent. At the other end of the scale if 4.8 per cent of 18 plus men have had sexual contact with a five year old that is horrific.

I think I'd want to see the details as it comes across as rampant men after little children but that might or might not be what they are talking about.

I'm not denying there is a problem, used to work for the police and have prepared too many files for court for rape/assault/child abuse but I would still like more clarity on what they were actually asking.

I do think that there needs to be more control of online pornography and abuse, apart from anything else it allows deviants to meet up safely and convince each other they are normal, much more so than in real life.

Iwasafool · 22/09/2023 13:24

namitynamechange · 22/09/2023 13:17

1 in 10 feels about right. The "all men think it" is the sort of thing people DO say to normalise it/justify it. The same way that the line of "they are just trying to police normal male sexuality" gets used (and of course that is also an appeal to regular men who don't want their sexuality policed). But that's a whole other discussion.

I don't think all men think it, for a start some men are specifically attracted to older women, not interested in their own age group let alone children.

MrsMarzetti · 22/09/2023 13:25

I can't believe it is only 1 in 10 pretty sure it is higher. As a young teen i had way too many pervy men hit on me.

Saschka · 22/09/2023 13:26

Do we really think there is less social stigma now? I feel like the opposite, teenage girls used to be victim-blamed as “jailbait”, and teachers fucking 14 and 15 year olds was seen as a joke (watch “Clockwise” if you want to see a film that hasn’t aged well). It was accepted that pop stars fucked barely-pubescent girls (David Bowie’s 11 year olds), and the girls were blamed for it.

I feel like it is now seen as completely unacceptable for adult men to have sex with teenagers. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen of course, but any man doing it would be completely ostracised from my social circle, even if the girl was technically legal. I assumed that was why it was done covertly over the internet, rather than picking the girls up from school in their cars.

GingerIsBest · 22/09/2023 13:27

I am, sadly, usually right up in the "men are bastards" camp but I think this report needs a bit more careful analysis. eg, this line, Almost one in twenty (4.8 per cent) of those surveyed said they had had sexual contact with a child when they themselves were aged 18 or older. - they haven't defined what this means but it could realistically be an 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old, which I think most of us would agree is far less likely to be abuse/exploitation.

Also 1500 self selected anonymous respondents doesn't feel great to me, I'd like to see a more detailed view of who responded and how they were found. I feel like there might be an element of self selection - if DH saw an online ad asking for respondents on child exploitation, I don't think he'd be rushing to fill it in as it just wouldn't seem relevant to him.

Don't get me wrong, sexual exploitation of children is clearly a huge issue and I don't want to downplay it, but I don't think this is helpful necessary.

<goes off to see if I can find the underlying report>

Iwasafool · 22/09/2023 13:27

goldbraid · 22/09/2023 12:52

@HelenFisksBrownSuit It does sound like the internet is a serious issue and puts children at real additional risk. I also wonder how much online porn contributes to this, men spending hours in a porn / masturbation fug driven to ever more extreme content and behaviours.

Online porn is also a danger to children because so many are seeing it and it must be affecting their view of relationships and sex.

The internet can be such a useful tool in the right hands and a force for evil in the wrong ones.

Iwasafool · 22/09/2023 13:29

GingerIsBest · 22/09/2023 13:27

I am, sadly, usually right up in the "men are bastards" camp but I think this report needs a bit more careful analysis. eg, this line, Almost one in twenty (4.8 per cent) of those surveyed said they had had sexual contact with a child when they themselves were aged 18 or older. - they haven't defined what this means but it could realistically be an 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old, which I think most of us would agree is far less likely to be abuse/exploitation.

Also 1500 self selected anonymous respondents doesn't feel great to me, I'd like to see a more detailed view of who responded and how they were found. I feel like there might be an element of self selection - if DH saw an online ad asking for respondents on child exploitation, I don't think he'd be rushing to fill it in as it just wouldn't seem relevant to him.

Don't get me wrong, sexual exploitation of children is clearly a huge issue and I don't want to downplay it, but I don't think this is helpful necessary.

<goes off to see if I can find the underlying report>

That line obviously stood out to us in exactly the same way. I would be interested to understand more about what it is really saying.

PowerTulle · 22/09/2023 13:30

I remember reading an article published by the police years ago, saying there were far far too many paedophiles for it to ever be possible to charge them all. Evidence in spades to lock up thousands of known offenders. Simply not enough police or court time (or prison space probably). Only the most prolific or extremely violent offenders are pursued.

RealityFan · 22/09/2023 13:30

Saschka · 22/09/2023 13:26

Do we really think there is less social stigma now? I feel like the opposite, teenage girls used to be victim-blamed as “jailbait”, and teachers fucking 14 and 15 year olds was seen as a joke (watch “Clockwise” if you want to see a film that hasn’t aged well). It was accepted that pop stars fucked barely-pubescent girls (David Bowie’s 11 year olds), and the girls were blamed for it.

I feel like it is now seen as completely unacceptable for adult men to have sex with teenagers. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen of course, but any man doing it would be completely ostracised from my social circle, even if the girl was technically legal. I assumed that was why it was done covertly over the internet, rather than picking the girls up from school in their cars.

Those are really good points. I often wonder if I suffer some rose tinted memory of the past. I seem to recall more stigma. But as you say, underage girls were routinely labelled as Lolitas and slags, and victim shamed/blamed.

The grooming scandals and screaming tabloid headlines in the 90s and 00s saying feral girls got what was coming. Maybe not pedophilia excusing, but certainly laying blame on girls who can't be guilty of anything.