Britons more liberal on non traditional families but not trans issues

[Justme56]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-more-liberal-over-abortion-and-single-parents-but-not-trans-9xh0z2b93

https://natcen.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2023-09/BSA%2040%20Moral%20issues.pdf

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/21/trans-prejudice-doubles-three-years-jk-rowling-cancel/

One in three people describe themselves as prejudiced towards trans people - double the number of people in 2019, according to the British Social Attitudes (BSA) report published on Thursday....

Britons were asked if they were either “very prejudiced”, “a little prejudiced” or “not prejudiced” towards transgender people.

Twenty seven per cent of people surveyed in 2022 identified as “a little prejudiced” - a record high and almost double the result of 14 per cent in 2019....

Britons were also asked about their views on whether transgender people should be able to have the sex on their birth certificate changed.

Some 30 per cent agreed, down from 58 per cent, when the question was first asked in 2016. The proportion who were indifferent rose from 18 per cent to 29 per cent, whilst those who disagreed with the statement had risen from 22 per cent to 39 per cent....

Guardian on same

this is why sunlight matters

I would question if it's a good polling question to use.

A dictionary definition of "prejudiced" may involve irrational hostility. Bigotry.

But is that necessarily how people will understand and answer the question?

Rather than, "I'm disliking how far this agenda has gone in society"?

I agree - phrasing of the question is crucial.

im not prejudiced against trans people. I think they should be treated equally and have the same rights as everyone does. However, I don’t agree they are the opposite sex and that in particular TW are not women and not entitled to women’s rights & spaces

that’s not prejudice, that’s biological reality!

Despite the fact they used 'prejudice' (should have been something less perjorative imo) and still got the numbers they did is astounding.

#Operationletthemspeak.

I'm reading this as an increasingly liberal and tolerant society rapidly losing patience with a regressive, damaging ideology, because they are starting to twig what's actually involved.

This is a shocker for the conclusions that are being drawn from it. Two questions and one is a self-reported question about 'prejudice' and they then extrapolate out how liberal a population is?

Fuck that!

This is a weak and false style of reporting. Not only that but it also then shows how they then shoe horn a population's perceptions about transgender people as we have seen recommended by the Denton's report, and the messaging guide from the transgender law center in the USA where they leverage people's reactions to racism in an attempt to convince the 'persuadables' (their term) to lower their boundaries regarding allowing male people to access female single sex spaces and sports.

So, they have squeezed in two questions about transgender issues in a document discussing 'liberalism' and then roll out article after article of how bizarre it is that the UK population is so liberal on all these other issues, but somehow getting less liberal about transgender people.

It is just more dishonesty.

Maybe that’s because trans ideology is not the ‘more liberal’ position. Just maybe…

Framing it as a question of ‘prejudice’ is amazingly biased. Terrible research design.

I would question if it's a good polling question to use.

Yes, it's a rather provocative 'gotcha' term, isn't it? It's a very easy linguistic twist to replace 'prejudiced against trans people' to 'transphobic' - and then you've written their propaganda headlines for them.

Why does it have to be framed as attitudes against the people themselves rather than against common TRA actions and the rights that they are seeking to take away from women in order to add them on to their own (already equal/equivalent) rights.

Nobody would dream of framing a question of 'are you concerned about toxic masculinity, misogyny and VAWG' simplistically as 'are you prejudiced against men?'.

Ahhhhhh of course! It was carried out by Nat Cen, Nancy Kelley erstwhile CEO of stonewalls previous employer

Yes, the question about prejudice is extremely problematic.

Usually people will answer more positively as they don't think themselves as prejudiced. Or they will interpret prejudice in their own unique way. Such as they may think it is 'prejudiced' to think that 'transwomen are not women' and be taking in a hyperbolic definition of the word.

Any question worded such as that would then require a bank of questions to interrogate that perception. And for it to be asked in different ways.

Not one of two questions squeezed into a survey about 'liberalism'.

Who ever approved the design that questionnaire tool was not trained in research in any basic level, and the team who put the questionnaire tool together really should not be claiming that as any kind of achievement.

I think that the fact that they framed the question the way they did but still got the answer they did is brilliant, its showing that they have over used "prejudice" in the same way that "transphobia " has been and people aren't buying it anymore.
Hell even the SNP have been forced to delay their conversion therapy ban (that would have made even asking your dc why they thought that they're trans a crime) and send it out for "consultation "

Considering I'm 'prejudiced' for not willingly collaborating in my own and other women's oppression and in wangling safeguarding for children in the cause of adult male sexual freedoms?

I'm really not that bothered. (Regardez mon visage? Je suis bovvered?)

Yes, it's completely bizarre.

A belief that there is a way of living, or being, thinking, or skillset etc that "corresponds with" you being male or female is as old-fashioned and conservative as you can get.

I would love to see the original polling question. I would be very surprised it if it actually used the word 'prejudiced'. That would surely be a leading question and poor poll design.

Interesting that they're reporting responses purely by 'sex' though - no magical 'other'

Taken from the report the OP linked to in their second post, it appears they very much use the word 'prejudiced' in the question.

Sounds about right

And this bit in the report is... interesting:

However, since 2016 (and 2019 in particular), the views of all demographic groups on these two matters have changed to a relatively similar degree, strongly suggesting that the decline in the liberal position reflects a period effect, with all groups being influenced by the prolific coverage and discussion of issues relating to this group. In other words, we may be seeing a period effect similar to that which we witnessed in the 1980s for attitudes to homosexual relationships, with the emergence of HIV-AIDS and the introduction of Section 28. The substantial impact of this period effect inevitably makes it challenging to predict how views on this matter might evolve in the future. Previous analysis suggests that progressive policymaking may alter people’s views (Swales and Attar, 2017) – but it may in fact be the case that policy-making has moved too far beyond the public consensus in the past three years, instead provoking a backlash.

but it may in fact be the case that policy-making has moved too far beyond the public consensus in the past three years, instead provoking a backlash.

Gosh, ya think??!

Interesting, as others have pointed out there's a pretty obvious elephant in the room here. Britons are becoming more liberal which is why they are increasingly rejecting the regressive and deeply conservative gender stereotyping pushed by the trans movement.

The other thing is that no debate was never going to be a long term winning strategy. You can silence people for some time but if you allow that to lead you to believe that they agree with you in the absence of developing arguments that will secure genuine agreement, you're in for a shock once people start talking. And they always start talking, especially when you try to involve their kids.

Interesting that over time experience of LGB has resulted in increasing acceptance and normalisation.

And that increased experience of the behaviours of the TQ+ lobby is resulting in a decrease.

I don't think scolding people is going to get them to just put up with those behaviours either.

That sums me up too.