Who has most disappointed you?

[Calistano]

I'd say Russell T Davies when he had his drunken rant. I get his concern that lgbt is being fractured. But his absent concern for Women and their rights was palpable. I honestly thought he had more sense.

You are thinking of Augustine, though Thomas would no doubt have agreed.

Yep, verydisappointing from them. I used to subscribe to SYSK but they clearly don’t give a shit about undermining women’s rights so they can fuck right off.

As a feminist, does she perceive a clash between ‘trans rights and women’s rights’? “I hope there isn’t,” she says. “It’s presented as if there is, and I can see where people are coming from, but what we ought to be thinking is ‘how do we square the circle here?’. I hope in 20 years time we aren’t talking like this.”

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23825192.mary-beard-scottish-independence-trans-rights-romans
another disappointment. Goes on to say she doesn’t think cancel culture really exists but also that she’d like to do a documentary on the trans issue but she’s too cowardly. What’s there to be afraid of if there’s no such thing as cancel culture?

Among older people there is very much a horror of places like London and Brighton and a determination that "things like that" don't happen here.

Perhaps among the 'older people' you know personally, but my initial response to that is to yell 'Bollocks'. I'm an older person who lives rurally and doesn't have a horror of Brighton or London (regular visitor to London, wouldn't want to live there, love it, great city, don't resent it) and I object to your glib ageism.

I could go on at length about all the rights that I and all the awful old buffers like me fought for so that you could take them for granted, but then I'd just be a whinging old woman, wouldn't I? Your remark seems particularly shitty given that so many of us have been required to come out fighting yet again, this time against the trans movement, because all you younger ones can't in case you lose your jobs. Show us just a soupçon of appreciation, would you, instead of writing us off as old buffers averse to changing, swapping sexist and racist jokes in the pub.

"Older people" 😡
Who the fuck do you think worked for the rights and freedoms women and gay people have today? How dare you!

duc748 is also an older person, not a youngster.

Ben goldacre who make a living out of highlighting bollocks science but go along with TWAW because they’re cowards

BG hasn't done that for years. He's been fairly busy transforming the reporting of clinical trials, how we use data in NHS and healthcare systems, running significant COVID-19 primary care studies, heading up a research lab, and now a world-leading department.

He's doing amazing work. Yes, of course I'd like him to take a public stance. It's probably remarkably wise of him not to have done this because it might conceivably have blocked him from all of his (and his teams, he has several) achievements over the last few years.

<checks masking tape over laptop camera> 😁

I was actually responding to this: hadn't realised it wouldn't show up in the quote:

BCCoach · 19/09/2023 14:13
I'm in a small and mostly rural community. I think people are much more likely to be conservative and 'traditional' in their views, which means most people are gender critical (if they are aware at all), but sadly also means that racist/sexist/homophobic views are also quite common and openly shared. Among older people there is very much a horror of places like London and Brighton and a determination that "things like that" don't happen here. People will watch a news story about something happening in London with the same level of detachment as something happening in Kabul: "it's all very sad but nothing to do with us." It makes it very easy for people to dismiss stuff without ever having to actually think about it.

In my area of Ruralia and among the 'older people' I mix with, many of us have either lived or worked in London and the SE before returning or moving to the rural areas where we now live. Some of us have children who now live and work there. I think that posters are talking about a certain type of rural person, a growing minority around here, and then generalising.

And this: People will watch a news story about something happening in London with the same level of detachment as something happening in Kabul: "it's all very sad but nothing to do with us." It makes it very easy for people to dismiss stuff without ever having to actually think about it.

This is such a London-centric way of thinking. It's as if nothing has been learned from Brexit. Certainly in my local, 250 miles from London, the recent Croydon stabbing has been discussed. Tell me, do 'older people' people in London hear about something happening in Carlisle or Launceston or rural Lincolnshire and, unless they have a connection to those areas, feel concerned or involved?

Sorry, derailing. I just stumbled across the original post and thought 'Bollocks to that...'

There was a Reddit thread today about Parkrun and the evil TERFs who were protesting self-ID.

Usual hyperbolic, occasionally vicious language, lots of "but but it's just a fun run so it doesn't matter."

Except when someone suggested they just didn't report times except to the individual since it doesn't matter... cue lots off but but but

Bingo card:
TWAW
Genital inspections
Birth certificates
Most vulnerable

I went on the ZOE program website today. They are doing pioneering research into the relationship between gut health and health / longevity in general. They (quite rightly) talk endlessly about science and what research is showing us about health and nutrition

I started their questionnaire for people who are thinking of participating in the program. Question 5 - 'what sex were you assigned at birth?' 🤦🏻‍♂️ nope, I'm out. SHAME on them, they are eminent people with scientific backgrounds who are prepared to go along with this ridiculous ideology. No thanks

Whoa, fuck that. The cringing idiocy of scientific organisations capitulating to this unthink. ZOE is a no for me now too although I had been becoming interested.

Jon Ronson.

Goes on to say she doesn’t think cancel culture really exists but also that she’d like to do a documentary on the trans issue but she’s too cowardly. What’s there to be afraid of if there’s no such thing as cancel culture?

Absolutely. The doublethink is infuriating, isn't it? You'd think someone as intelligent as Beard could work it out.

As a group the BMA and the Royal Colleges for not calling gender ideology out as scientific nonsense and stressing that you can't actually change sex it's just a legal fiction. The Guardian as a newspaper that used to understand what women were. As a person Jeanette Winterson. I really thought she got it. Yes she plays with androgenous characters and women pretending to be men but I'm not sure if she believes gender woo or just doesn't want the backlash.

They did this right when covid was at its most uncertain and frightening - switched from 'what sex are you' to 'what gender are you' (or roughly similar).

This was at a point where the sex differences between covid were still being investigated.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4101811-Study-by-COVID-Symptom-Study-App-ZOE-shows-women-benefit-slightly-from-taking-supplements

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4494665-health-study-categorising-by-self-identified-gender-rather-than-sex

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4001080-What-sex-were-you-assigned-at-birth-asks-Covid-Symptom-Study

Zoe got tweeted at by Sarah Brown to say it was extremely upsetting to be asked their sex, and Zoe changed it without further ado.

I was previously extremely disappointed in the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, who had a Stonewall linked transwoman on their user committee. Not a transman, which would have made sense. Perhaps wisely, I can't see that it's possible any more to see who's on their new Women's Voices committee, which seems to have replaced the previous setup.

yes to this

just remembered: was considering a private appt at the Louise Newson menopause clinic - recommended on menopause matters forum as setting the bar
I've already haemorrhaged a lot of money at this fkn menopause thing but thought worth a shot
anyway- definite lip service to gender ideology on some of their website blurb. just fuck you- you're doctors, fucking menopause doctors! it's completely put me off, which is maybe cutting off my nose, but it makes me so angry and doubt their credibility

Louise Newson, director of around six different companies all profiting from menopausal women, recommending HRT counter to NHS guidelines? That Louis Newson?

Yes I have heard and read many menopause specialists declare that transwomen have 'menopause symptoms'. And it's so wrong on every level. Diminishing what women go through without having a choice in the matter. If a man elects to take oestrogen and androgen blockers, he may have hot flushes. Men undergoing drug treatment for prostate cancer or men with extremely low testosterone levels can also experience this. it's vasomotor disturbance, it is not fucking menopause, which is a uniquely and exclusively female-born experience.

My autistic, anxious and depressed 17 year old child’s psychiatrist who wrote a letter for them stating that ‘the change of gender was likely to be permanent’. You would think a highly educated professional would have more sense.

@PermanentTemporary transwoman? why? they have lost the plot completely!

Just watched a recently posted episode of the SciShow on YouTube. I thought it stood for Science. The presenter, Hank Green (brother of the author), fucking pronouns! 😠 😡