Asking someone’s pronouns is as important as finding out their name

[SamW98]

https://metro.co.uk/2023/09/13/talking-about-pronouns-isnt-a-chore-its-like-asking-someones-name-19491080/amp/

No it really isn’t. Does anyone really meet a new person in a social setting and say ‘hi I’m Doris and my pronouns are hee/haw, what’s your name and pronouns?

They can keep their rising sign in their pants, thanks.

Sorely sorely tempted to start using “she/her” or “he/him” in email correspondence and see what happens to the communicative function.

Hi John
Thank you for he/him’s message about the X project. Do you think he/him could fit in a quick meeting about this later today?
Kind regards,
More Than

Well those with their moons rising in Uranus will hopefully be keeping it in their pants.

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For clarity, i should have said "I've never needed to use pronouns in that way when writing an email." instead of "I've never needed to use pronouns in an email like that. "

I suppose I do find it annoying on others' behalves when women in hijab or niqab are asked for their Christian name at work. It's thoughtless imo and I don't think that phrasing is used much anymore, given name is more likely now.

I also know that the two women in the team who are now giving their pronouns in their email are not bellends. What does scare me a bit is that they are language impairment specialists. My view is that for me to ask people with aphasia to use any specific pronoun, even if obvious, is adding unnecessarily to their linguistic burden. And I don't think they give them to patients, only other staff members. Which doesn't feel very equitable or partnership focused.

Yes, quite. Not sure how I forgot those. I will educate myself at the earliest opportunity!

Also, @quantumbutterfly you raise important, valid and dare I say it life-affirming points.
Actual height/weight vs what you identify as is something we should have a meeting about, in a safe space - no shoes please, though plimsolls may be acceptable.

Sorry, meant to tag @lookandsee in the previous post.

Quantumbutterfly must be shunned due to not liking sea shanties enough. I am sorry @quantumbutterfly but you must re-educate yourself. 30 hours on YouTube with The Longest Johns may suffice

100% this.

This level of nonsensical HR overwokery I just one of the exasperating twatterries that is making the NHS even worse than normal right now.

I received an email from a colleague earlier that not only had pronouns announced, but they were typed in rainbow colours as well, for extra wankery points.

Perfect!

I recently received an email from an English colleague (we're in Ireland) with his pronouns in both English and Irish, a language he does not speak one word of. I was tempted to accuse him of cultural appropriation except for the half hour earnest lecture I would have received.

I think that would have been my Falling Down moment where my laptop went through the window

I had to look aphasia up. So that's what the thing where I can't remember the names of things and misorder the words of my sentences is called!

Being autistic, I don't remember names. I'm not going to remember your pronouns either.

BTW said Phil had rung me earlier and had a voice that had definitely broken before he sent me an incredibly irritating marketing email

It's just an addition to the old joke about how you know someone is a vegetarian, or from Yorkshire, or runs marathons (just wait five minutes and they'll tell you).

And therein lies the joy of neopronouns - you can have your very own, truly personal pronouns rather than having to share.

Right - I'm off to ponder my favourite seashanty, which is proving tricky because my brain is currently serving up drinking songs instead (including a German one for which I can remember hardly any of the tune and only one of the words - not helpful).

When I see colleagues have added their pronouns to their email signatures, despite there being absolutely no corporate directive to do so, I immediately go right off them and think them twats.

Yep. They are an open invitation to 'stir clear'.

"No thanks I'm an athiest"

One is lucky if I remember one's name. One should not expect me to also remember pronouns as well.

Double nailed it!

Can I just say thank you all. I knew when I started this thread there were be some brilliant responses and you’ve had me laughing out loud this evening.

Oh god, do not get me started on extraneous Gaelic sign offs from people who don't speak it.

And even worse again, his He/Him were capitalised whereas his sé/é were lowercase.

Colonial superiority complex as well as cultural appropriation.