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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Truly awful TRA guidance from the University of Leicester for the heritage sector

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/09/2023 20:51

https://le.ac.uk/rcmg/research-archive/trans-inclusive-culture

In the context of growing uncertainty and anxiety surrounding trans-inclusive practice in the cultural sector, the University of Leicester’s Research Centre for Museums and Galleries (RCMG) – working with a team of legal scholars and experts in inclusion, equality and ethics – has developed comprehensive guidance on advancing trans inclusion for museums, galleries, archives and heritage organisations. The guidance is supported by the Economic and Social Research Council.

Endorsed by the Heritage Lottery Fund

x.com/heritagefunduk/status/1699838523376038176?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

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MargotBamborough · 07/09/2023 23:24

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/09/2023 23:18

And I note the use of “legal scholars”. So do they mean academics rather than people who would represent you in court? Does scholar have some significance or are they just trying to sound fancy?

One of them, Sharon Cowan seems to think in other writing that Forstater will be overturned in a higher court.

Lol, good luck with that, Sharon.

LoobiJee · 07/09/2023 23:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/09/2023 23:16

Going back to the “guidance”, it required some sort of sign up procedure so I couldn’t read it. What does it say.

You don't need to do that, just click "skip".

Thanks, no idea why I didn’t spot the skip button.

I’ve managed to access it now, but with the format they’ve used I’ll have to leave it to the weekend when my eyes are less tired. But at least they’ve got the nine protected characteristics correct in the first couple of pages.

BettyFilous · 08/09/2023 00:20

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/09/2023 21:09

Any chance you can @ the threadreaderapp to syphon off the thread in a readable format? Those of us without x/twitter accounts only get to see the first post on a thread nowadays.

JacquelinePot · 08/09/2023 07:57

FlippinFumin · 07/09/2023 22:04

I have given this sort of thing some thought after the Mary Rose comedy show. It sort of combines other things we notice too, like people going to Uni on shit A Level results. I mean cleverer people know all this shit is just theory. You pick a topic, write about it using Marxist Theory or Feminist Theory, or Critical Race Theory or fucking Queer Theory, and you leave it at Uni when you leave. Except these excuses for students, who think they are super clever cos they got a Desmond, have decided to critiqueify everything! And Feminist Studies became Gender Studies, fuck off! They are too stupid to realise this shit stays in the lecture hall. We do not need it in the real world thank you very much. Just a thought running through my Feminist Theory brain.

Yes, yes,yes, a million times yes! Unless you're doing a vocational course, surely the only thing from your degree that you carry on doing after graduation is being an independent adult. I would have said critical thinking but obviously that is very much not in vogue.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2023 08:56

A great comment on Twitter on the guidance

It's AWFULLY convenient for the museums. Going big on disability requires expensive infrastructure. Going big on race tends to lead to "well, give it back then" conversations. This is just toilet signs, pronoun badges and struggle sessions.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2023 08:58

And as another poster points out

There are, according to the Census, less than 100,000 people who call themselves 'trans' - around 0.2 % of the population
On the other hand, around 16m have a disability, including 34000 blind people, 12m deaf/hearing impaired, over a million autistic people.....

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everetting · 08/09/2023 09:17

But no one cares about disability. Even on MN abolish is rife. May worse by the reality that disabled people are more likely to be older.

Truthlikeness · 08/09/2023 09:21

In my experience these initiatives in the heritage sector are driven by a small groups of activist types, facilitated by a few do-good allies and everyone else goes along with it because they are not well informed on the issues or too afraid to speak up. Those us of who have spoken up have been largely brushed aside.

Unfortunately the list of signatories does include some heavy hitters, which does not fill me we with optimism. I've had a quick scan though and that guidance is deeply troubling. For example (page 25) they clearly state that trans right are not in conflict with women's rights. The conflation of 'gender non-conformity' with trans is very worrying.

On page 38 they state that recent guidance has said that all toilets with shared wash areas need to be single sex and go straight on to say you should make it clear that people can use they facilities they feel comfortable with. Did anyone even proof read this?!

DisappearingGirl · 08/09/2023 09:33

But at least they’ve got the nine protected characteristics correct in the first couple of pages.

From page 25:
"‘Gender reassignment’ is one of nine protected characteristics under the Equality Act 2010 ... The other protected characteristics are age, disability, race, sex (which includes gender), sexual orientation, pregnancy or maternity, marital status or civil partnership, religion or belief"

So the protected characteristic of sex now includes gender apparently

DisappearingGirl · 08/09/2023 09:39

On the toilet issue, page 38:
"If you have toilets with cubicles and shared wash areas, recent guidance stipulates that these need to be single sex. Importantly, make it clear in your signage and communications that all visitors are free to use the facilities that they feel most comfortable using; to insist that a trans person uses a particular bathroom may be unlawful discrimination."

Isn't this directly contradictory? "You need to provide single sex toilets, but don't do this"

Grammarnut · 08/09/2023 10:17

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 07/09/2023 21:08

"Why didn't you do anything with your two archaeology degrees? You liked archaeology! I'm not really sure what feminist archaeology is but you were doing well with all your grades! You could have worked at a museum! Why has your entire career been in a totally unrelated field?"

"Well there's too many white middle class men shouting everyone else down aggressively, they hold all the funding, make all the hiring/firing decisions, are served by very obedient handmaidens in middle-of-the-road jobs who expect everyone to toe the line, and oh look they've now found the motherlode of things to latch onto to drown out everyone else with their self-serving manpotism."

Yes I made up "manpotism". I don't know what the actual word for it is. I am very angry that these people control the narrative of our past and are allowed to do so completely unchallenged and unelected. And I'm especially angry at all the student debt I got into before I knew the truth.

They can give back the bloody Elgin marbles while they're at it.

Patronising tossers.

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Agree with you. But if the Elgin Marbles are returned (legally bought from the then Greek authorities btw) they should be sent in the state they'd have been in if not removed by Elgin, that is, lime dust. Because they would have been destroyed to make lime, which is why Elgin purchased what was left. No-one in Greece at the time seemed to be bothered by this destruction.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2023 10:28

That's a good point, I didn't know that.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2023 11:14

Fair enough. I tried to quote from the guidance but couldn't copy and paste, I wonder if the terrible format is deliberate?

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DisappearingGirl · 08/09/2023 11:18

You can click the download button to download as a PDF, which you can copy and paste from (and read without squinting)

Brefugee · 08/09/2023 11:30

I'd be fine if women's history ever got a bit of extra funding and a boost, tbh.

Fenlandia · 08/09/2023 11:42

The thing that always strikes me with these documents, along with the legal misrepresentation, partisanship and queerspeak is the sheer infantilisation of trans people. Why do these organisations assume they need to be coddled so much? How many ordinary trans people just want to enjoy culture, art and museums like the rest of us?

Grammarnut · 08/09/2023 11:49

Truthlikeness · 08/09/2023 10:54

There's a whole other thread dealing with the Parthenon Frieze. I would very strongly suggest we don't get sidetracked by that here! :-)

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4880866-as-ye-sow-so-shall-ye-reap-the-british-museum-the-writhing?page=1

Thanks. Have followed that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2023 11:57

You can click the download button to download as a PDF, which you can copy and paste from (and read without squinting)

Thank you! There are some gems in it, am out for the day but will do this later.

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Truthlikeness · 08/09/2023 12:06

Fenlandia · 08/09/2023 11:42

The thing that always strikes me with these documents, along with the legal misrepresentation, partisanship and queerspeak is the sheer infantilisation of trans people. Why do these organisations assume they need to be coddled so much? How many ordinary trans people just want to enjoy culture, art and museums like the rest of us?

Agree and the assumption, which is deeply baked in, that anyone not 1000% on board with trans ideology is a hateful bigot. There are some interesting and pertinent questions used as case studies in the report, but the answers are all about how to minimise and ignore anyone not celebrating everything trans, with a pinch of 'how not to get sued' sprinkled in.
It is a deeply one-sided and disingenuous report and it makes me despair for my sector.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2023 16:30

It's interesting that in both this guidance and also the CIPD guidance released in the last few days, we have the same misrepresentation of the protected characteristic relied on in the Forstater case, and the same appeal to the entirely non binding lower court decision for Jaguar Land Rover to claim that the Equality Act is applicable to "non binary" people.

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WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 08/09/2023 19:27

What really concerns me the most though is that Leicester Museum Jobs Desk is the best place to look if you're starting out in heritage sector employment, and students starting out will see this puffed up abomination on the same website and potentially think they need to emulate that opinion to be employable, whether they agree with the content or not. Not that people in entry-level jobs in heritage have any power to challenge the way things are done anyway.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 08/09/2023 20:07

Getting philosophical about this for a moment, one of the central questions in archaeology, which has innumerable answers which are all pertinent to heritage management, is "who owns the past?" and this particular "transing" of the past shows that the people who own and control the past are the same people who own and control the present. It's a microcosm of the disempowerment we are experiencing in so many other areas of our daily lives.

goodthinking99 · 21/05/2025 19:02

Not wanting to raise an old thread from the dead but there is a new trans inclusion partnership emerging, supported by the Art Fund which appears to want to double down on all this, positioning the SC judgment as creating a hostile environment for Trans people…here’s a quote from the Leicester University website: ‘The partnership initiative, eighteen months in development, has emerged in response to growing recognition of the need for support for cultural organisations as they seek to advance trans inclusion and equity in the context of increasing hostility towards trans people, misinformation around trans lives and a complex and evolving legal landscape. The recent Supreme Court ruling of 16 April has further increased the need for ethical guidance and resources that cultural organisations can use to take forward their commitments to advance equity and foster dignity and respect for trans people.’

So where does this leave the GCs of us working in the arts and museum sector? Does no one remember the Denise Fahmy case? No one is planning to discriminate against trans people who, in my experience, are well represented in the arts sector but this seems designed to whip up a fear frenzy whilst suggesting organisations break the law to be ‘inclusive’. No mention of equity and dignity for women of course…I despair.

Manderleyagain · 21/05/2025 22:49

How influential is the Leicester research centre in the sector? I assume its basically the department where the postgraduate course is run? If that's right it must be influential through indoctrination I mean trainjng each new cohort of museum professionals. I worked in museums years ago. It was always fairly right-on. But this sounds a bit suffocating.

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