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new to this - What about all the transgender people who are 'living their best lives'?

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lily444 · 04/09/2023 10:49

hi,
I am new to this world - please be patient with me.

When I talk about gender ideology with other people - I peaked a few months ago and now can't stop talking about all this - I get a lot of anecdotal evidence of very happy transgender adults and young people.

I am starting to feel like I'm in a bit of a GC echo chamber and am now doubting myself.

While I realise that this is a very complicated issue, my natural inclination is to see these huge increases in trans identity among young people as a form of self-loathing, inability for self-acceptance, a rigid belief that to change gender would be a rebirth of a different self.. etc etc.

Of course there are transgender people and I do not doubt their existence or expect them to justify their existence to me (I feel like I have to say that or I will be accused of being transphobic).

Are there a vast majority of very happy young people and adults who are delighted with life now that they have transitioned?

Are GC people mainly worried about the vulnerable people who are being caught up in this and who are not truly transgender?

many thanks for reading.....

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MargotBamborough · 20/09/2023 16:12

MavisMcMinty · 20/09/2023 15:32

50-year olds who transitioned 30 years ago are a very different category of people to today’s sudden surge of confused teenagers wanting to identify out of their sexed bodies. Back then you were really put through the mill, given years of counselling, forced to “live as” the opposite sex for two years - it was a test of determination. Anyone who went through all of that in a much more hostile social environment than today (where transitioners are lauded as “stunning, brave and inspirational”) clearly had a persistent belief that they were “in the wrong body”.

Now counselling is seen as “conversion therapy”, and affirmation is the only permitted response from professional clinicians. I’m no expert but my guess is that today’s rush to affirm transgender identities will lead to many more regretters and detransitioners than the former treatment protocol.

The older sibling of one of my childhood friends transitioned about 20 years ago. I am told that they used an inheritance that they were able to access at the age of 18 to pay for surgery.

According to their mother, even 20 years ago you could get the "correct" answers to all the questions you might be asked in counselling on the internet.

My mum, who saw them recently, says they absolutely don't pass, even after 20 years.

JacquelinePot · 20/09/2023 16:25

If you look at how male and female faces and bodies age, it's obvious that no one is going to be more convincing, as the opposite sex, as they get older.

justgotosleepffs · 20/09/2023 16:28

MavisMcMinty · 20/09/2023 15:32

50-year olds who transitioned 30 years ago are a very different category of people to today’s sudden surge of confused teenagers wanting to identify out of their sexed bodies. Back then you were really put through the mill, given years of counselling, forced to “live as” the opposite sex for two years - it was a test of determination. Anyone who went through all of that in a much more hostile social environment than today (where transitioners are lauded as “stunning, brave and inspirational”) clearly had a persistent belief that they were “in the wrong body”.

Now counselling is seen as “conversion therapy”, and affirmation is the only permitted response from professional clinicians. I’m no expert but my guess is that today’s rush to affirm transgender identities will lead to many more regretters and detransitioners than the former treatment protocol.

I agree. My point is that you can't tell if transition is a good thing by speaking to someone who is only a few years in.

Until recently the numbers who wentbl through full physical transition were miniscule. In 40+ years i encountered not a single trans-identified person until the last 10 years, basically since the GRA.

Britinme · 20/09/2023 16:32

I knew someone who transitioned mtf 20 years ago, but I've lost touch since I moved to the U.S. He and a similar friend didn't, I think, go through surgery. They didn't pass, though both were young and attractive men.

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