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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lesbian speed dating event update

109 replies

Justme56 · 01/09/2023 11:58

Jenny’s event is back on.

Lesbian speed dating event update
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FroodwithaKaren · 01/09/2023 20:35

Bluetoesnewtoes · 01/09/2023 20:17

I mean they are but it would be nice if stonewall was dropped and the other actual charities and non profits were consulted by businesses and the NHS and Government departments

It would just be nice to have parity. Stonewall are welcome to flog their own agenda and message and deal with any consequences that may arise from misrepresentation. But if that organisation is going to be involved then the LGBA also needs to have equal input, as Stonewall do not represent all LGB people in their TQ+ focused agenda, there are aspects very questionable that need to be considered by someone lobbying for LGB interests in their own right.

If TQ+ political lobbies view this as a threat to themselves, then that's quite interesting in what it says about their views, their impartiality and true good faith in representing all LGBT people (as opposed to the ones who are useful to their agenda) and what they are aiming to achieve.

Likewise if Stonewall et al are consulted in anything, it should be automatic that grass roots specific women's groups are consulted, such as FPFW, KPSS, and others. The needs, views and issues of women should be independently consulted on, heard and taken into account. Again, if TQ+ political lobbies view this as a threat, then it has to be asked why they want to be the mouthpiece for women, control the narrative and prevent actual women being heard from. And why they are afraid that those voices would damage their political agenda.

It's why really the minister brief for equality needs to be broken back into its individual composite parts with one minister per group, who will represent that group's voices and interests . It would prevent the possibility of a well funded lobby group arising with less than shiny intentions, who had the power to subordinate and harm the other 8 characteristics to further its own interests. You know. Should that ever happen.

Snowypeaks · 01/09/2023 22:02

Congratulations, Jenny! Well done to LGBA for backing her and giving legal support.

I hope Jenny's job is safe now, too.

IwantToRetire · 01/09/2023 22:12

I hope Jenny's job is safe now, too.

Goodness me yes, I had forgotten about that.

Its always the same with the TRAs, it not just the inital focus of their attack, but the ripple out effect from that.

Talipesmum · 01/09/2023 22:15

Great news!

IwantToRetire · 01/09/2023 22:17

This is from 21st August - cant see anything after that:

As for my 9-to-5 job, HR is conducting an investigation,
https://twitter.com/dnalerinrehtron/status/1693716232774508590

IwantToRetire · 01/09/2023 22:19

NB XXclusive Event on 8th September

We're on the brink of reclaiming the lesbian scene, bidding farewell to the 'Queer' haze. You're invited to join (free entry). But first, round up your mates and let's own the next XXclusive night together. Spread the world & retweet!
https://twitter.com/dnalerinrehtron/status/1695156844891652389

SamW98 · 01/09/2023 22:49

And she’s still getting grief for being a bigot and transphobe as well as being asked if a chromosome test will be required - these TRA idiots really don’t give it a rest do they?

JanesLittleGirl · 01/09/2023 22:56

SamW98 · 01/09/2023 22:49

And she’s still getting grief for being a bigot and transphobe as well as being asked if a chromosome test will be required - these TRA idiots really don’t give it a rest do they?

This is the thing that totally defeats me. We know if somebody is male or female. Trust us, we know.

WiltingAtTreadmills · 01/09/2023 23:03

Why would a chromosome test be needed - are they expecting people who lie to turn up?

SamW98 · 01/09/2023 23:18

WiltingAtTreadmills · 01/09/2023 23:03

Why would a chromosome test be needed - are they expecting people who lie to turn up?

Thats what sone of the comments ask on the Twitter post. She’s still getting abuse from the usual suspects.

SamW98 · 01/09/2023 23:23

JanesLittleGirl · 01/09/2023 22:56

This is the thing that totally defeats me. We know if somebody is male or female. Trust us, we know.

I have no idea why a genuine TW would want to ruin an enjoyable that they have no place being anywhere near.

Sadly as much as we are so pleased that Jenny has won this battle, I foresee the TRA squad won’t take this lying down and will go all out to cause drama and disruption.

IwantToRetire · 01/09/2023 23:46

SamW98 · 01/09/2023 23:23

I have no idea why a genuine TW would want to ruin an enjoyable that they have no place being anywhere near.

Sadly as much as we are so pleased that Jenny has won this battle, I foresee the TRA squad won’t take this lying down and will go all out to cause drama and disruption.

Should I ask MNHQ to delete post with info about next meeting.

Although it is on her twitter thread.

Just hope it goes well, and many lesbians who have been put off by trans inclusion at "lesbian" events will turn up!

OvaHere · 02/09/2023 00:06

I have no idea why a genuine TW would want to ruin an enjoyable that they have no place being anywhere near.

Because in material reality there is no such thing as a man who is really a woman. It only exists linguistically and if you can persuade everyone using either carrot or stick to say they agree with you.

When enough people start saying no the whole fantasy falls apart, and when it falls apart it falls apart for everyone who IDs as a woman. This is regardless of whether they are a pleasant, law abiding person or they are SJ Barker.

So it's essential to activists and anyone else who committed to it for whatever reason, they be ruthless in pushing for inclusion everywhere with no boundaries. No matter what cost and no matter how harmful it is for others.

If they don't take this hard line, or they try to but fail, as we are seeing with prisons, sports and now lesbian dating, it's the beginning of the end and they know this. They've always known it.

I imagine men who ID as women or something outside of the man 'box' will continue on but this period of forcing everyone to pretend they are women and are female was never going to be sustainable because its pure fantasy.

AvacadoFieldsForever · 02/09/2023 00:10

Presumably a person could buy a wheelchair and attend a wheelchair users event or use the disabled space in a theatre without being challenged, or someone without cancer could pop along to a cancer support group without an extensive background check. The question is what sort of a psychopath would want to take resources time and energy from another group in this manner.

ancuruadh · 02/09/2023 02:32

JanesLittleGirl · 01/09/2023 22:56

This is the thing that totally defeats me. We know if somebody is male or female. Trust us, we know.

Lol. No you don't.

Helleofabore · 02/09/2023 05:03

No you don't.

Male cues may be perceived with greater accuracy by female people. Even in males who have taken puberty blockers. And in the way male people interact is also all to often discernible.

Do you believe that some male people 100% pass as female people? Or have you been led to believe that because women have either not outwardly shown a reaction to a male who believes they are a woman, or women have shown overt signs of acceptance or actually lied to that male person about whether that male person ‘passes’?

FroodwithaKaren · 02/09/2023 07:44

ancuruadh · 02/09/2023 02:32

Lol. No you don't.

Yes love. Might be really polite about it, but yes, we know.

FroodwithaKaren · 02/09/2023 07:46

SamW98 · 01/09/2023 22:49

And she’s still getting grief for being a bigot and transphobe as well as being asked if a chromosome test will be required - these TRA idiots really don’t give it a rest do they?

It seems a very transphobic and negative generalisation to me to imply that male people with TQ+ identities would try to deceive their way into a group that has a clear purpose. Particularly when there are plenty of other groups available to them.

Are they saying that being trans involves breaking boundaries, deceiving others and failing to respect other people? I think many trans people would find that highly insulting. As it is not a trans thing, it's a boundary breaking, woman-despising, bloody awful behaviour thing.

FroodwithaKaren · 02/09/2023 07:51

Still musing on this whole 'ha ha, you can't have boundaries cos we'll smash them anyway' thing.

Which kind of demonstrates the need for steel boundaries and consequences by women, doesn't it? The TQ+ community may need to learn the MN phrase 'this is why we can't have nice things'.

SapphosRock · 02/09/2023 07:53

Such great news for lesbians.

In my experience the only lesbians who advocate for male inclusive lesbian dating events have been happily married to their female partner for years and don't see (or pretend not to see) what the problem is.

Kilopascal · 02/09/2023 08:08

ancuruadh · 02/09/2023 02:32

Lol. No you don't.

ancuruadh, any male person will be aware they are male (as in born cock-and-balled) and therefore of no interest to the exclusively female-attracted women at the event.

What, apart from being really fucking annoying, would be their motive in going to it?

RudsyFarmer · 02/09/2023 08:11

In so many cases it’s the ‘front of house’ making these decisions while those who actually run the organisation have no idea what’s going on until they are informed.

WickedSerious · 02/09/2023 08:21

ancuruadh · 02/09/2023 02:32

Lol. No you don't.

Lol.Yeah we do.

puffyisgood · 02/09/2023 08:26

ancuruadh · 02/09/2023 02:32

Lol. No you don't.

Ha ha. Are you by any chance deliberately confusing, 'might, in a small minority of cases, not immediately be able to tell from a single photo' with 'struggle so badly to tell, even having spent time in the presence of someone including hearing them speak etc that it's not even worth bothering to try'? That'd be a cough novel line of TRA argument.

ancuruadh · 02/09/2023 08:50

FroodwithaKaren · 02/09/2023 07:44

Yes love. Might be really polite about it, but yes, we know.

And yet every time someone puts you to the test you end up confidently declaring cis women to be trans... I wonder who benefits from a bunch of people going around accusing random butch lesbians of being men? Probably not women... 🤔

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