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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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WarriorN · 30/08/2023 09:00

HirplesWithHaggis · 30/08/2023 07:55

Oh, I love Lucy Worsely!

Ds is working through her lies series and I'm getting a lot of A level Bolshevik flashbacks to Russian propaganda techniques.

WarriorN · 30/08/2023 09:02

PriOn1 · 30/08/2023 08:58

And this is where “live and let live” and “there’s only twelve of them” (to quote Nish Kumar - inspired by other recent threads) falls down.

Because it only takes a few extremists like this one to do huge amounts of damage to women’s rights over many organizations. And these extremists types are not so uncommon.

I pootled on Michael Biggs bio page at Oxford University recently and found it interesting to note that his other specialist analyses are around right wing extremism.

LadyMadderLake · 30/08/2023 10:17

The whole "it's okaaaay, there's only a few of them!" in women's spaces/sports/services argument is so stupid. It's basically openly admitting it's problematic for women, but hey, it's not many so just put up with it. Plus if "only a few" is fine, obviously that encourages all the sex offenders and chancers to make it more than a few. The same people who say "it's only a few" strangely never stand up and say "Oh! it's actually more than a few now. So it's not OK."

waterlego · 30/08/2023 15:06

I’m only part way through and have already spotted a contradiction. They write about encountering ‘TERFs’ online:

They hide behind online personas to spew evil and feel safe in their own bubble

But then they suggest making a note of TERF’s usernames and gathering photos and information from TERFs’ FB pages because:

TERF’s have a history of being brazen in their confrontations and hide very little about their identities so gathering most of this info is not hard

🙄

PeachPieStreet · 30/08/2023 15:14

Laura Izaguire could add that she is apostrophe-inclusive to her bio too.

It was interesting to read a different perspective but I found myself unpersuaded by the over-emotive and sheer barking mad tone.

MavisMcMinty · 30/08/2023 15:19

Wow.

*What can you do to help when it comes online? If you find a TERF, do the following:

  • Write down their online handle and a link to whatever account you found them on.
  • If they have their real name posted, grab it.
  • Save a photo of their face if available.
  • Screen shot some of their offending posts as proof in case they try and delete evidence. Save it with Archive.
  • Record any personal info they have on Twitter or Facebook, such as place of employment, birthday, etc.
TERF’s have a history of being brazen in their confrontations and hide very little about their identities, so gathering most of this info is not hard. When the fascist database comes online, submit everything you have. That will give the global coalition against hate as complete a picture as possible of who needs re-education.*
Helleofabore · 30/08/2023 15:27

Boiledbeetle · 30/08/2023 01:18

Spoiler alert, for those who can't manage the increasingly insane vibes each paragraph gives of, here is the conclusion

What should you do to counter the presence of TERF’s in your area? First, make a parallel organization that makes theirs redundant. Out-compete them. At the same time, infiltrate and take over their group from the inside to reform it into an actual feminist organization. If that’s not possible, go after their money however you can.

If they still refuse to cease spreading hate, begin direct action. Online, shut down their means of communication by deplatforming them from social media. Use doxxing to remove their anonymity so they have to own whatever vile things they say. In the real world, deny them advertising. Shut them out of safe spaces. Make their employers aware who they are and what they’ve said so they’re terminated. If absolutely necessary, escalate further into tagging vehicles, destructive disruptions, and, finally, making them take responsibility for harming others by reflecting that harm at their personal selves.

TERF’s like to portray themselves as the victims when you discuss protecting the community from their hate. They like to pretend that any kind of action against them is “violence against women.” This is false equivalence, an attempt to hijack the language of revolution for their evil ends.

When Richard Spencer was punched on live television, that wasn’t “violence against men” — it was action against fascism. If you take signs from TERF’s trying to insert messages of hate at a Pride Parade, that’s not “violence against women” — it’s action against bigots. When someone chooses to be a fascist they surrender any consideration you need to have for their dignity, possessions, or health — because they have chosen to have no regard for yours. The imperative to punch Nazis is always in place, regardless of what sex the Nazi is.

A fascist can always choose to peacefully change their ways and rejoin the community as a decent human being, which ends any need to treat them with hostility. But when TERF’s go after trans women and others, they don’t stop their harassment until the target is dead. This is why you are justified using any of the strategies outlined above when opposing their kind.

😳

FFS....

Helleofabore · 30/08/2023 15:31

RebelliousCow · 30/08/2023 08:23

incel

Sorry cow but that typo did make me laugh as it was so opposite!

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