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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
SaffronSpice · 14/12/2023 11:53

MargotBamborough · 14/12/2023 11:03

Do you think it is bigoted not to actually believe that trans women are women, or is it bigoted not to be willing to pretend that they are?

Bigotry is intolerance of people with different beliefs. It is not bigotry not to belief the same as them. It is quite clear which way the bigotry runs with TRAs

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 15/12/2023 09:52

They use 'bigotry' as a synonym for prudish/straight laced. Its often used against people who want to stop adult males performing sexual acts in public or with non consenting people. Similarly when they use 'moral panic' about children as drag queens or seeing adult performances.

Its nothing to do with beliefs, because, as stated, two people can have different views and neither is a bigot. We dont say people with different economic solutions are bigoted.

Its an ugly word to try to silence discussion and detract from what is really going on. A man with gender doesn't care if women on a parenting forum dont think he's female, its that he doesnt want people to agree on social norms and stop him from going into the womens changing rooms.

Everything about this movement is about removing social norms around male performing sexual behaviour in public.

knitnerd90 · 19/12/2023 06:52

I don't usually get involved in these threads, but as someone with US university knowledge:

  1. A sorority is basically a private social club. It may provide housing as this one does, not all do.

  2. New members are always voted in by the existing ones. It's a popularity contest. The Washington Post says Langford's vote was not by secret ballot, but doesn't say if they ever use secret balloting. Not all Greek organisations do.

  3. The reputation of sororities varies by campus; if KKG has "hot" members at USC it does not mean it does here.

  4. The University of Wyoming is a public institution and the only full university in the state. Its tuition is $6,000 a year for residents.

  5. Effectively, the court decided that since it's a private members' club it gets to make its own rules and decide what "woman" means.

  6. This happened in what may be the most conservative (but with a libertarian streak) state in the USA, and the ruling came from an 84 year old judge who was appointed by Reagan. It isn't about being woke, it is about a very particular view common in the Mountain West involving government interference in a private club. If women sued to get into a men-only club they would rule the same. If the club had said no trans members and someone sued, they would have ruled the same: no standing.

NecessaryScene · 19/12/2023 07:11

Effectively, the court decided that since it's a private members' club it gets to make its own rules and decide what "woman" means.

I think this is an important area of attack. Basic rules on product advertising, consumer standards, etc, must surely limit how much you can distort words.

And the distortion here is the largest possible.

There has to be a limit on what you can hide under an asterisk and footnote. And I bet there wasn't even an asterisk here ("women*").

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