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DerekFaker · 26/08/2023 11:40

Fucking hell!!!

FannyCann · 26/08/2023 11:43

So young women at university have no right to same sex personal space. I feel so sorry for those young women, they've been bullied and gas lit and the male interloper by all accounts behaved very unpleasantly.

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ZeldaFighter · 26/08/2023 11:53

FannyCann · 26/08/2023 11:43

So young women at university have no right to same sex personal space. I feel so sorry for those young women, they've been bullied and gas lit and the male interloper by all accounts behaved very unpleasantly.

Some of the stuff I've read is jaw-dropping. "Many institutions now accept a definition of woman that includes transgender women." Why? Who did they ask? I don't include men, with or without cosmetic surgery, in my definition of woman.

Apparently that's bigoted

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sanluca · 26/08/2023 12:00

Basically they lost because the courts deemed it not their right to decide what private organisations decide. So if the sorority decide that transwomen can be members, the court cannot overrule that.

Sadly makes sense. Question is if this now means women have to force the sorority to change their mind and exclude them or leave.

Justme56 · 26/08/2023 12:01

I read through the case and it is my understanding that because the sorority voted to allow the TW in, under the definition that they are a woman, it wasn’t up to the court to disagree with this. They could, I believe, have voted the opposite way (TW were not allowed in) and the court would have accepted that was okay too - is that how others read it? Basically it was not up to the court to go against the sorority’s initial decision. I imagine many of these young women have been brought up to believe that the typical TW is someone like Jazz Jennings and not the male who actually turned up. It’s really awful for the girls who have had to deal with the situation and hopefully they can find a way of excluding the person on their behaviour if they can’t do it on status.

Fenlandia · 26/08/2023 12:23

Eugh, is this the case where the transwoman walked around with their penis out? Lia Thomas all over again, the normalisation of male access to women in spaces where they want privacy.

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ZeldaFighter · 26/08/2023 12:37

Fenlandia · 26/08/2023 12:23

Eugh, is this the case where the transwoman walked around with their penis out? Lia Thomas all over again, the normalisation of male access to women in spaces where they want privacy.

Not in this case, actually, but sat watching the girls without speaking with a pillow on their lap.

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Datun · 26/08/2023 12:47

I imagine many of these young women have been brought up to believe that the typical TW is someone like Jazz Jennings and not the male who actually turned up.

The dot connecting exercise to go from jazz to gleeful perve really isn't arduous.

Surely someone, somewhere pointed that out, even if they were incapable of imagining it themselves.

What kind of sheltered life must you have led to not realise that (some) men will take advantage.

hopefully it will be a lesson to all other sororities, though.

Datun · 26/08/2023 12:48

ZeldaFighter · 26/08/2023 12:37

Not in this case, actually, but sat watching the girls without speaking with a pillow on their lap.

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Ugh.

And this is the problem. The expectation of symmetry. A girl sitting watching other girls, with a pillow on her lap is unremarkable.

molotovcupcakes · 26/08/2023 13:22

Well they can't expect parents to be rushing to sign up their daughters to the sorority accommodation then, can they.
Surely this will be off-putting to most female students and the bad publicity for the college.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/08/2023 14:21

hopefully it will be a lesson to all other sororities, though.

Exactly. Lots and lots of sunlight. Poor girls though.

viques · 26/08/2023 14:42

ZeldaFighter · 26/08/2023 12:37

Not in this case, actually, but sat watching the girls without speaking with a pillow on their lap.

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According to the puff piece article This is Artemisia , Artemisia is a transwoman who is also a lesbian (with a penis). Or as they say , gay, because that doesn’t sound quite so strange , or intimidating, or weird, does it. Because a lesbian with a penis to most people is actually a man who fancies women.

PatatiPatatras · 26/08/2023 16:19

Some young women are about to reach the top of the mountain in record time.

HermioneWeasley · 26/08/2023 16:23

Those poor girls.

AIstolemylunch · 26/08/2023 18:07

Hopefully they'll make his life miserable in there (I would)

PatatiPatatras · 26/08/2023 21:54

Ha ha. I can imagine the pot clang with the shout out: hear ye, hear ye, euphoria boner exhibition currently on full display on the sofa!

Delphinium20 · 27/08/2023 21:40

I feel awful for these girls. Hopefully they can disband and create their own social group with their own women-friendly and safe rules.

Ramblingnamechanger · 28/08/2023 09:26

Does this mean that if a Sorority decided it would not admit males of any identity, that would be upheld in law?

Helleofabore · 06/12/2023 08:59

Just adding this to one of the sorority threads.

Six of these brave women are continuing their . They have appealed. It seems from this that their case will revolve around defining a ‘woman’. And whether groups can define woman to mean whatever they want it to mean.

https://x.com/faulknerfocus/status/1732110661079962011?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

https://x.com/faulknerfocus/status/1732110661079962011?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

HagoftheNorth · 06/12/2023 09:34

Oh that’s interesting - it makes some sense that if you tell everyone the sorority is one thing, when it’s actually another, is this legal? Only issue is that in the US atm, ‘women’ may well, legally, include men 🙄

aname1234 · 06/12/2023 12:56

Justme56 · 26/08/2023 12:01

I read through the case and it is my understanding that because the sorority voted to allow the TW in, under the definition that they are a woman, it wasn’t up to the court to disagree with this. They could, I believe, have voted the opposite way (TW were not allowed in) and the court would have accepted that was okay too - is that how others read it? Basically it was not up to the court to go against the sorority’s initial decision. I imagine many of these young women have been brought up to believe that the typical TW is someone like Jazz Jennings and not the male who actually turned up. It’s really awful for the girls who have had to deal with the situation and hopefully they can find a way of excluding the person on their behaviour if they can’t do it on status.

The court is being chicken shit and they know it. There's no other definition of woman.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/12/2023 14:15

Six of these brave women are continuing their . They have appealed. It seems from this that their case will revolve around defining a ‘woman’. And whether groups can define woman to mean whatever they want it to mean.

Glad they are appealing, whatever the outcome. People need to be talking about it.

Helleofabore · 06/12/2023 14:32

Just noticed that the finish of my sentence was cut off, happening a lot with the latest IOS update.

But I am very glad that they are appealing the decision. They are forcing the issue and they are forcing the continuance of the discussion.

Every interview touches on how the sorority forced compliance through threat of effective expulsion. They were told that they should leave the sorority if they didn't uphold the 'values'. So the decision was forced on them. And they have been harmed significantly by this male student's inclusion.

If it is left to every group to be able to decide what their own group's definition of 'woman' is, how can any girl or woman then rely on the law to uphold protections if the decision is forced on them as this was? When it is about permanent accommodation, this is an egregious harm to these young women. It is clearly very different from choosing a gym based on whether the gym has an inclusive policy of allowing males into female single sex spaces.

It will be an interesting case. Brave young women!

catduckgoose · 06/12/2023 14:33

The court case aside, how does sorority membership work over there - can the women who don't want to share their living space with a man who calls himself a women easily leave and take accommodation elsewhere? Or are they stuck there (or left with several years of fees) as a condition of their studies?

EnoughIsay · 06/12/2023 14:41

Helleofabore · 06/12/2023 14:32

Just noticed that the finish of my sentence was cut off, happening a lot with the latest IOS update.

But I am very glad that they are appealing the decision. They are forcing the issue and they are forcing the continuance of the discussion.

Every interview touches on how the sorority forced compliance through threat of effective expulsion. They were told that they should leave the sorority if they didn't uphold the 'values'. So the decision was forced on them. And they have been harmed significantly by this male student's inclusion.

If it is left to every group to be able to decide what their own group's definition of 'woman' is, how can any girl or woman then rely on the law to uphold protections if the decision is forced on them as this was? When it is about permanent accommodation, this is an egregious harm to these young women. It is clearly very different from choosing a gym based on whether the gym has an inclusive policy of allowing males into female single sex spaces.

It will be an interesting case. Brave young women!

Thank you for this context @Helleofabore .

They really are brave.

I am going to send a message of support if I can track them down.