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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
BreadInCaptivity · 26/08/2023 18:17

Rightsraptor · 26/08/2023 10:09

Some of Sophie's surgery was essential. She couldn't be left with a urinary bladder, in two parts, on the outside of the body. Some of the intestine was also external.

The penis was described as small & split. Did this split involve the urethra? We don't know, though we do know Sophie continues to wears pads as she's incontinent. Could the penis have been reconstructed to make it whole, maybe hormones given at the appropriate time to encourage growth, the testes left in situ and perhaps give Sophie a chance at a normal male life?

I'd like to know how such a baby would be treated in the UK today.

I'm horried at pp's comment about doctors saying better to be an infertile woman than an impotent man. Just so revealing.

My understanding is that today the standard protocol for DSD's (previously called intersex - differences in sex development) is to do as little as possible to enable the child to make their own choices as they get older.

In this case, Sophie had a lot of complications that absolutely needed interventions for her to survive re: her urinary and bowel function. However that did not need to involve removal of testes and penis and this would not occur today.

IwantToRetire · 26/08/2023 18:28

I am sure that on one level those influencing the decisions needed to save the baby's life were well intentioned.

But there is absolutely no doubt that many of these decisions were (and in some cases still are) influenced by the social attitudes of the lead surgeon. And at that time they were more than likely middle and upper class men.

And I thought it was common knowledged that the decisions weren't always purely medical but also what was deemed to be socially "better".

I can well remember hearing the phrase, better a woman without a womb that a man without a penis.

So we can only hope that with improved medical knowledge and treatment, and (possibly) more contemporary social attitudes, even if what might be an emergency situation treatment would be confined to saving life, but not making a life chaning decision.

It really is yet another malignant fall out from the "I" being appropriated by the rainbow soup brigade. Those with DSD / intersex conditions should be allowed to develop and and influence treatment and social attitudes and have it reflected in the medai.

IcakethereforeIam · 05/09/2023 16:31

What an amazing person. So articulate, so full of humour and empathy. Brilliant!

Sisterpita · 05/09/2023 16:35

@Ellegeebee thank you for this. Tell Sophie she is amazing for overcoming this and for being prepared to share her story.

Ellegeebee · 05/09/2023 19:32

You’re welcome, I will do.

Aila1880 · 07/09/2023 11:57

So sad, what an amazingly strong person.
I grew up with someone who was born intersex as they call it now. That person was also evidentally wrongly 'reassigned' as a baby. So damaging to have to live with

AllTheChaos · 07/09/2023 12:04

GardenersDelight · 25/08/2023 19:45

I was a student nurse in a specialist London hospital at the same time and saw this several times during a 3 month placement plus older children returning for ongoing treatment
"Easier to be an infertile female than impotent male" was one reason given

I remember studying this and other cases as an undergrad. I will never forget the lead surgeon’s quote (recorded at the time and then provided to us students): “It’s easier to poke a hole than build a pole”. There was also this sense from the (male) doctors that to be a teenage boy and then a man with a micro penis was the most dreadful thing that could happen, and that it was genuinely better for such boys to be reassigned as female at birth, rendered sterile, and have a lifetime of hormones, and a childhood and adolescence punctuated by surgery. Which I think says more about the doctors that it does about the chances of boys with micro penises growing up happy as boys.

MargotBamborough · 08/09/2023 08:08

@Ellegeebee thanks for posting that interview.

Sophie comes across like such a lovely person with a really healthy attitude towards everything she has been through.

GardenersDelight · 08/09/2023 18:34

@AllTheChaos yes I also heard comments similar to those too

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