A very sad tale - infant gender reassignment

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A sad tale of infant gender reassignment

I wish her all the best.

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I don't know how to do a share token, sorry.

If you go to the web site https://archive.ph and paste in the telegraph link you will see the whole article.

I assumed it would be a story of intersex "correction" by arrogant surgeons but this seems even more complicate.

It's in the Telegraph which doesn't do share tokens unfortunately. It may have been archived, or will be. I've read it - it is a really sad story and shows the awful consequences of doctors playing God. I feel for both Sophie and her parents.

This is an archive link that might work.

https://archive.ph/PoqJ3

How awful for that family. It is really good that she is telling her story and raising awareness of the condition.

I managed to read it by clicking the link and quickly switching to aeroplane mode.

I know someone who's a few years older than Sophie who was born with the same condition, they didn't do gender reassignment on him. He's had a tough time with health problems and coming to terms with his differences but he's certainly not as messed up as Sophie and is married and has a child ( by donor ).

Wow this is really shocking. I didn't know this happened

These are the tragic cases for whom the 'sex assigned at birth' stuff actually applies. Sophie has been through hell, has more right than anyone to wonder about the existence of a gender identity and the awful activists dare to appropriate stories like hers for their own means. It makes me furious.

Heartbreaking story.
David Reiner’s tragic story is another one.

Reimer

Just read it. Thanks for the archived link.

What a terrible story. What a shock for Sophie. How can you come to terms with something like that.

I also felt desperately sorry for the parents who were under such pressure to make a quick decision. Given the circumstances, I can see why they agreed.

I was a student nurse in a specialist London hospital at the same time and saw this several times during a 3 month placement plus older children returning for ongoing treatment
"Easier to be an infertile female than impotent male" was one reason given

Yes I read this one. Didn't he and his twin brother both end their own lives?
Such a tragic story x

Horrific story. Alice Dreger covers this subject in Galileo’s Middle Finger, which is worth a read. Fortunately surgeons don’t tend to perform these operations at birth any more - they wait till the child is old enough to decide for themselves.

Yes, I thought Dreger's book was fascinating but I was utterly baffled by how someone who has seen all of that could be a gender identity ideologue. Really odd.

The book about David Reimer is essential reading. Sadly out-of print so can be expensive. I picked up a copy for about a fiver a few years ago.

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30738766566&cm_sp=snippet--srp1--tile3&searchurl=ds%3D10%26kn%3Dthe%2Bboy%2Bwho%2Bwas%2Braised%2Ba%2Bgirl%26sortby%3D17

I like how she refers to herself as a soul not as man or woman. I might think the word human is more appropriate as we don't all believe in souls but it makes the same point. Sophie is a person who was wronged.

Love he turn of phrase national homocide service and how clear she is about their gender reassignment service. And the effect of taking hormones.

I look forward to the documentary. She coming at the gender debate without motives in a way. She can speak from her experiences and hopefully both sides can listen without a knee jerk reaction of not on my side so won't listen to them.

Lastly I noticed while the article was critical of money for holding up a failed experiment as successful re reimer. It failed to mention his sinister history just a sort of hint.

I can't even begin to imagine what it must have been like finding that out in your twenties.

When Sophie was born her parents must have felt like they had no choice but to trust that the surgeons knew best.

I'm sure there are a lot of Sophies out there. It can't be an easy life.

Wow, that is heart wrenching, I listened to the Triggernometry podcast today, how the transgender movement happened. Which explains that Moneys theory is completely debunked, as both brothers tragically ended up committing suicide. Now to hear of another case of a very young child being operated on and lied to about their sex, is staggering. Surely we have to say, biological sex is of over riding importance to all children.

I've just realised what this reminds me of.

The Wasp Factory (Iain Banks)

I was at boarding school with someone who must have had something similar. I am bit older than Sophie.

The girl I was at school with though, had been told from early on. She was quite matter of fact about it then. Just used to say that when she was born, her parents had to decide if they wanted a girl or a boy, 'so I had my penis removed' and 'I will never be able to have children'. We were about 12 or 13 at that point.

It was only with age that I realised she had probably had a DSD, and was probably technically a boy. I always wonder where she is in life. And how much she understood about it as she grew up, whether she now knows her chromosomes etc. I hope she is doing well and had better support than Sophie

You can use 12ft ladder to get past the paywall

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Ffamily%2Flife%2Fsophie-ottaway-rare-birth-defect-gender-surgery%2F

So sad. For her and her poor parents.

'ultimately, says Read, it comes down to the inevitable fact that ‘this involved removing someone’s right to reproduce. Sophie is an only child, and the doctors removed what would have been healthy testes. Sophie is now a young adult thinking about having a family and she can’t. The choice was not hers. This was the decision made for this family by doctors, based on a deeply flawed idea.’'

And how many young people are still being sterilised based on what many would say is a deeply flawed idea?

tragic story — but Sophie is an amazing model of resilience in the face of tremendous emotional and physical challenges.

This is why people and groups representing those with DSDs have successfully campaigned for no permanent hormonal treatment or surgery to be done until a child reaches 18 and is old enough to decide for themselves, because children cannot consent. At the same time trans activists have campaigned and are campaigning for doctors and surgeons to be able to hormonally alter and operate on children at whatever age they want because children know who they are.

This lack of consistency and polarised demands are often ignored and shows why the I isn’t represented by the LGBTQIA+ alphabet any more that the LGB part is.