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SamW98 · 22/08/2023 14:53

I mean who doesn’t want their pre school kids learning about bondage gear?

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Beeinalily · 22/08/2023 14:58

Just gruesome.

SamW98 · 22/08/2023 14:59

The staff denied the images are erotic, telling the couple: 'That's just your opinion.

Seriously wtf??

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ReeseWitherfork · 22/08/2023 15:00

Baffled that the pre school response was “children don’t know what erotic is”. So if the children are so innocent they don’t know what it is, why are they trying to teach them? My son picks out all sorts in the illustrations of his book and asks what it is. Not sure how I’d explain that one. If my kid’s preschool had reacted the same way, I’d be doing the same as these parents. Totally mismatched sense of values.

Also worth saying: Beautifully done illustrations, just a big old shame what they actually are.

Mochudubh · 22/08/2023 15:15

Urgh. They couldn't have Millie going to visit her gay grandad and his husband at the seaside and them doing lots of nice things like going to the beach, meeting friends in town etc, you know, showing kids that same-sex relationships are nothing out of the ordinary. Most gay people are just getting on with their lives like everyone else.

I bet when Grandad was waving his Pride flag back in the 70s/80s it was nothing like the multi-coloured shit-show it is now.

TheDogthatDug · 22/08/2023 15:19

@Mochudubh
Spot on.

SamW98 · 22/08/2023 15:20

Mochudubh · 22/08/2023 15:15

Urgh. They couldn't have Millie going to visit her gay grandad and his husband at the seaside and them doing lots of nice things like going to the beach, meeting friends in town etc, you know, showing kids that same-sex relationships are nothing out of the ordinary. Most gay people are just getting on with their lives like everyone else.

I bet when Grandad was waving his Pride flag back in the 70s/80s it was nothing like the multi-coloured shit-show it is now.

Absolutely this 👏

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Apollo441 · 22/08/2023 15:23

Ah the book has a number of references to that old pedo favourite 'love is love'.

What a complete surprise.

KinellMate · 22/08/2023 15:25

Would it be OK to show a heterosexual couple in bondage gear? Obviously not but this is OK? 🤔

MentholLoad · 22/08/2023 15:30

Mochudubh · 22/08/2023 15:15

Urgh. They couldn't have Millie going to visit her gay grandad and his husband at the seaside and them doing lots of nice things like going to the beach, meeting friends in town etc, you know, showing kids that same-sex relationships are nothing out of the ordinary. Most gay people are just getting on with their lives like everyone else.

I bet when Grandad was waving his Pride flag back in the 70s/80s it was nothing like the multi-coloured shit-show it is now.

THIS!!

I am all for the LGB. Q need to stfu about their tedious sex lives and get better haircuts

NoBiscuitsLeftInMyTin · 22/08/2023 15:32

According to Amazon reviews it is a book designed for kids ages 2-7 🙈

SamW98 · 22/08/2023 15:34

KinellMate · 22/08/2023 15:25

Would it be OK to show a heterosexual couple in bondage gear? Obviously not but this is OK? 🤔

I know it’s a few years since my son was at pre school but I don’t remember Biff Chip and Clipper go to the fetish club in leather and rubber being on his reading list

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NarcNarc · 22/08/2023 15:36

FFS, this is grooming in plain sight! I’m determined that my grandchildren will not be prematurely exposed to adult sexuality at school and so are their parents. They’re asking questions before letting the children go anywhere these days. Why does the world never learn from history? Oh I forgot, history has been banned so no lessons can be learned none from previous paedophile scandals 🤬

NarcNarc · 22/08/2023 15:38

SamW98 · 22/08/2023 15:34

I know it’s a few years since my son was at pre school but I don’t remember Biff Chip and Clipper go to the fetish club in leather and rubber being on his reading list

I think my children missed that particular book too, although I’m pretty sure Kipper must have had a studded leather collar somewhere 🤣

Soontobe60 · 22/08/2023 15:51

SamW98 · 22/08/2023 15:34

I know it’s a few years since my son was at pre school but I don’t remember Biff Chip and Clipper go to the fetish club in leather and rubber being on his reading list

Kipper. Not Clipper 😂
I believe in the latest incarnation of the Magic Key, Floppy’s key now leads to a fetish club where Mum and Dad are Furries, and Mrs May (she/her) has totally swallowed the gender woo lock stock and barrel, taking the class on regular outings to DQSH at the local library.

SamW98 · 22/08/2023 15:55

Soontobe60 · 22/08/2023 15:51

Kipper. Not Clipper 😂
I believe in the latest incarnation of the Magic Key, Floppy’s key now leads to a fetish club where Mum and Dad are Furries, and Mrs May (she/her) has totally swallowed the gender woo lock stock and barrel, taking the class on regular outings to DQSH at the local library.

Kipper now identifies as Chipper 🤣🤣

That's what happens when I’m posting quickly at work and MN doesn’t have an edit function

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Igmum · 22/08/2023 15:55

Oh FFS. I have a feeling that this was reported on here as having a fair bit of (not very) hidden paedophile imagery. And nurseries are stocking it 🤦‍♀️. Utterly inappropriate. (And yes please to the visit to gay grandad and his nice husband. Could we also have a lesbian nana please? Grin)

Coyoacan · 22/08/2023 16:02

At least one child in that school has intelligent parents.

CurlewKate · 22/08/2023 16:06

Men kissing. Absolutely fine.
Bondage gear. Not fine.

MysteryBelle · 22/08/2023 16:16

Predators and groomers are in charge at that school/class. There is no excuse for what is going on at schools, everywhere. It is on purpose being inserted into the curriculum and at libraries, targeting children.

ArabeIIaScott · 22/08/2023 16:30

'Will argues that a child's lack of understanding is no justification in exposing children to sexualised imagery.
He said: 'It seems those with safeguarding responsibilities are basing their decisions on what is safe and appropriate based on whether the child will recognise the risk for what it is.
'To be clear, the 'perception' of the child is not the arbiter of what is age-appropriate or safe, regardless of their level of understanding.''

He's quite right, and this is what the law says about exposing children to sexual content, too.

ArabeIIaScott · 22/08/2023 16:36

Oh my word, nearly 3k comments.

Supportive of the parents, as far as I can see.

Some commentary on abuse, which is pretty clear that it's nothing to do with whether a child is aware of images being sexual or not (my bolding):

'the 2018 HM Government report, ‘Working together to safeguard children’, defines “child sexual abuse” as:“…forcing or enticing a child or young person to take part in sexual activities, not necessarily involving a high level of violence, whether or not the child is aware of what is happening. ... They may also include non-contact activities, such as involving children in looking at, or in the production of, sexual images, watching sexual activities, encouraging children to behave in sexually inappropriate ways, or grooming a child in preparation for abuse [including via the internet]'

'Child sexual exploitation is a form of child sexual abuse. The same 2018 HM Government report, ‘Working together to safeguard children’, defines “child sexual exploitation” as:
“…where an individual or group takes advantage of an imbalance of power to coerce, manipulate or deceive a child or young person under the age of 18 into sexual activity (a) in exchange for something the victim needs or wants, and/or (b) for the financial advantage or increased status of the perpetrator or facilitator. The victim may have been sexually exploited even if the sexual activity appears consensual.'
...

'Non-contact sexual abuse includes where someone made the individual watch or listen to sexual acts or look at sexual images;'

Working together to safeguard children

Statutory guidance on inter-agency working to safeguard and promote the welfare of children.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/working-together-to-safeguard-children--2

Fixesplease · 22/08/2023 16:42

Ds6 has a gay uncle who's married.. they have a son ( adopted) also primary school aged. So he knows some folk have 2 dads, some have 2 mums.. some have neither etc, etc.
BIL was absolutely furious about this as was!
That's not teaching kids that families come in all shapes and sizes.. I mean really, does this need said?!
It's bdsm.. my small child does not need to know this shit. Completely agree with the parents, I'd have pulled mine out too!

StaleCrumbs · 22/08/2023 23:09

the nursery apparently said that the bondage gear is only erotic in the opinions of the parents….

i suggest a few leather clad grandfathers pick up their grandchildren and see how the nursery feel about it then.