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PretzelKnot · 2023-08-20T08:31:14+00:00

He also contributed to the book but claims it wasn’t him. He says he didn’t write this review. He also says the attached letter to The Guardian about the positive nature of child-adult sexual relations was edited and that’s not what he meant. Man has a lot of bad luck.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 21/08/2023 16:12

Well, quite.

It doesn’t matter if a kid seems to enjoy partaking in an adult activity or not (whether that be drinking booze, gambling, riding a motorbike or being sexually abused by Peter Tatchell’s mate) society has decided that certain activities aren’t suitable for minors and the law has been made to reflect that.

The more we learn about brain development, the more I personally think some of the stuff that is currently legal at 16 or 18 should be pushed back.

Marriage should be made a blanket 18 all over the UK for starters, as should signing up for the armed forces. Start a 16-18 full time education programme based on the cadets (and which is sort of what happens at 16 now because you can’t go to war til 18 so may as well make a clearer boundary - we are one of very few countries that still allow 16 year olds to sign up).

I wouldn’t mind some sort of additional clause to the age of consent that’s a bit like statutory rape laws elsewhere as I don’t think a 16 year old boy or girl has enough life experience to consent to sexual activity with a much older adult.

Two teens together, fine, but a 16 year old and a 25/30/40/50 year old? Grim as fuck, regardless of whether the parties are gay or straight.

We’re in this weird no man’s land where we expect teens to stay in school or education til 18 but we expect them to pay full price on the bus at 16.

A lot has changed since my mum left school at 15 to work in a factory but some stuff is out of sync.

Rudderneck · 21/08/2023 16:58

RebelliousCow · 21/08/2023 09:57

I do think there are a lot of men, gay men included, whose first sexual experinece was one of sexual abuse as a child. This then distorts their view of sexual relations for evermore. I personally know of a few men who this would apply too. Early sexual experiences are very formative and shape future response too.

One wonders whethere Tatchell hinself suffered sexual abuse as a child -and has spent his adult life trying to come to terms with it.

I think that early sexual encounters with older men was at one time quite common in the gay community, and to some extent still is.

Even people like Fry talking about cottaging as a teen, what are the chances the men involved were all close in age?

I also think that when we look back at some of the earler attitudes to male homosexuality, this is in part what people were thinking of. There were efforts of course to divorce the two, which for some was entirely appropriate. But it's clear there is a group, which includes PT, for whom this expression of sexuality is closely linked with early promiscuous sex, and efforts against homophobia, in his mind, means efforts to create acceptance of that.

And frankly it seems to have been somewhat successful.

mrshoho · 21/08/2023 17:13

Rudderneck · 21/08/2023 16:58

I think that early sexual encounters with older men was at one time quite common in the gay community, and to some extent still is.

Even people like Fry talking about cottaging as a teen, what are the chances the men involved were all close in age?

I also think that when we look back at some of the earler attitudes to male homosexuality, this is in part what people were thinking of. There were efforts of course to divorce the two, which for some was entirely appropriate. But it's clear there is a group, which includes PT, for whom this expression of sexuality is closely linked with early promiscuous sex, and efforts against homophobia, in his mind, means efforts to create acceptance of that.

And frankly it seems to have been somewhat successful.

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Agree.

Tatchell recently pobdered why Boris Johnson wasn't given a hard time for starting a relationship with Carrie who was decades younger but Schofield was getting vilified. Duh Carrie was a grown woman not an impressionable teenager. He could not see anything wrong with Schofield's behaviour.

mrshoho · 21/08/2023 17:15

Pondered 😁

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 21/08/2023 17:29

And It’s not as if Boris hasn’t been criticised for his extra marital affairs over the years, he lost a shadow cabinet role and a vice chairmanship over one of them.

Peter Tatchell’s Glowing Review of Paedophile’s Book

SirVixofVixHall · 21/08/2023 17:37

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/08/2023 15:09

Some really interesting points. That's why we must never let our guard down with safeguarding. Adults determined to reduce the age of consent and share their porn soaked views on sex & relationships have no business working with schools or children.

This.
He seems Teflon coated, given what he has said.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 21/08/2023 18:37

A lot of women only realise that they were sexually exploited as young teenagers when their eldest child gets to the age they were themselves, when they were targeted by a predatory adult.

It's quite normal to feel incredibly grown-up when you are 14 years old because it's the most mature you have been in your life so far; sometimes it takes bringing up a 14 year old to make you realise how vulnerable to manipulation a young teen is.

Approximately 80% of women end up having children and women are the default primary carers, so it's standard that the majority of female abused teenagers will grow up to have children. That's rather a lot of women who learn how emotionally young the most sophisticated-seeming teenager really is.

Male life experiences don't necessarily mirror women's, so perhaps a single, childless man like PT wouldn't have the experiences that would force him to reassess his beliefs about the maturity of children and teenagers.

ArabeIIaKarenScott · 21/08/2023 19:19

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 21/08/2023 18:37

A lot of women only realise that they were sexually exploited as young teenagers when their eldest child gets to the age they were themselves, when they were targeted by a predatory adult.

It's quite normal to feel incredibly grown-up when you are 14 years old because it's the most mature you have been in your life so far; sometimes it takes bringing up a 14 year old to make you realise how vulnerable to manipulation a young teen is.

Approximately 80% of women end up having children and women are the default primary carers, so it's standard that the majority of female abused teenagers will grow up to have children. That's rather a lot of women who learn how emotionally young the most sophisticated-seeming teenager really is.

Male life experiences don't necessarily mirror women's, so perhaps a single, childless man like PT wouldn't have the experiences that would force him to reassess his beliefs about the maturity of children and teenagers.

Very insightful.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/08/2023 22:02

ArabeIIaKarenScott · 21/08/2023 19:19

Very insightful.

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Agreed - very wise. And it's why the DfE, schools etc need to gatekeep who gets to share their viewpoints with schools & children.
In recent years, the DfE have completely failed with this, especially in SRE & PSHE, funding & promoting all sorts of unsuitable organisations. It's a consequence of the Tory "bonfire of red tape" approach - supposedly empowering schools but completely failing to evaluate and spot the dodgy groups accessing DfE funding and worse, giving them a free pass to sell political ideas / queer theory to schools & children of all ages.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 21/08/2023 23:21

Thank you, both! But it's less insight and more simply listening to other women, to be honest. Especially on mumsnet: so many threads from OPs realising that they were preyed on as teens.

Helleofabore · 21/08/2023 23:49

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 21/08/2023 18:37

A lot of women only realise that they were sexually exploited as young teenagers when their eldest child gets to the age they were themselves, when they were targeted by a predatory adult.

It's quite normal to feel incredibly grown-up when you are 14 years old because it's the most mature you have been in your life so far; sometimes it takes bringing up a 14 year old to make you realise how vulnerable to manipulation a young teen is.

Approximately 80% of women end up having children and women are the default primary carers, so it's standard that the majority of female abused teenagers will grow up to have children. That's rather a lot of women who learn how emotionally young the most sophisticated-seeming teenager really is.

Male life experiences don't necessarily mirror women's, so perhaps a single, childless man like PT wouldn't have the experiences that would force him to reassess his beliefs about the maturity of children and teenagers.

yes indeed.

Rudderneck · 22/08/2023 01:57

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 21/08/2023 18:37

A lot of women only realise that they were sexually exploited as young teenagers when their eldest child gets to the age they were themselves, when they were targeted by a predatory adult.

It's quite normal to feel incredibly grown-up when you are 14 years old because it's the most mature you have been in your life so far; sometimes it takes bringing up a 14 year old to make you realise how vulnerable to manipulation a young teen is.

Approximately 80% of women end up having children and women are the default primary carers, so it's standard that the majority of female abused teenagers will grow up to have children. That's rather a lot of women who learn how emotionally young the most sophisticated-seeming teenager really is.

Male life experiences don't necessarily mirror women's, so perhaps a single, childless man like PT wouldn't have the experiences that would force him to reassess his beliefs about the maturity of children and teenagers.

Yes, and it's particularly likely to be true of gay men, as they are less likely to have children.

I also think the experience of male sexuality has some real differences to the experience of female sexuality though, and that effects how they experience these kind of encounters. Men are much less likely to look back on promiscuous sex in the teen years (with other teens) negativity, whereas I've met lots of women who feel that way.

TommyNever · 22/08/2023 04:31

Tatchell is an Old Left dinosaur still continually seeking to expand the civil liberties of men at the expense of women and children.

Scratch the "progressive" surface and you'll find all the regressive fervour of the so-called men's rights movement: anti-feminist, pro-porn, pro-prostitution, glowingly in favour of child brides and child sex. Not to mention the main strategy of the Left patriarchy: demanding that men have the right to colonise and thereby cancel the entire category of women, with women's right to safe space, women's services and any autonomy trampled under the jackboot of misogynist trans ideology.

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PencilsInSpace · 22/08/2023 20:16

I've done a transcript of Rosanna Lockwood's TalkTV interview with Graham Linehan, Peter Tatchell and Grace Blakely (I don't know where best to post the whole thing).

A close listening made clear that Rosanna Lockwood knew all about Peter Tatchell's 1997 letter to the guardian.

PencilsInSpace · 22/08/2023 20:20

Helleofabore · 20/08/2023 18:35

Tatchell has had such bad luck.

I mean, he wrote this letter too about Sarah Cook’s underage marriage back in 1996! Gosh, he has had bad luck.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letter-why-destroy-young-love-1326015.html

”Sir: Your thoughtful, compassionate editorial ("Sad tale of a modern- day Juliet", 25 January) on the hounding of the 13-year-old child bride, Sarah Cook, was a much-needed corrective to the hysterical, heartless reaction of the Turkish and British authorities. Although her marriage may be unlawful, there is no evidence that Sarah was coerced into, or harmed by, the relationship with Musa Komaegae. Indeed, she appears to have been very happy - until the heavy-handed intervention of officialdom.”

”Why the authorities should want to (or be allowed to) break up the love between these two teenagers is beyond my comprehension. Isn't there enough emotional unhappiness in the world without adding needlessly to it? Moreover, in an era when youth promiscuity is widely condemned, one would expect society to welcome Sarah's and Musa's love and fidelity, rather than seek to destroy it.”

“The authorities claim that they have Sarah's welfare at heart. However, it's hard to envisage that her welfare is best served by forcing her to undergo the humiliation of a so-called "virginity test" and by charging- the man she loves with rape, despite the evidently consensual nature of their relationship.”

“Astonishingly, even though Sarah has talked of suicide if she is kept apart from Musa, officials seem prepared to risk the possibility of such a tragedy. Yes, there is real harm being done to this young girl, but it's not being done by her boyfriend.”

Yours faithfully,
Peter Tatchell
London, SE1

This is in response to :

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/mother-of-bride-13-faces-turkish-police-1325484.html

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12284074.turkish-waiter-remarries/

The mirror did a follow up in 2000

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/How+the+child+bride+grew+up...%3B+SHE+WAS+A+NAIVE+TOURIST+OF+13+AND+HE...-a068111728

It is a horrific story. Yet Tatchell’s bad luck to have yet another letter published that pleaded that this 13 year old was never coerced and it was true love and how terrible it was that there was this investigation. Notice Tatchell has reduced the man’s age which was known to be 18, to ‘they are both teenagers’….

I wonder if he even remembers this.

Such bad luck!!

Wow, I hadn't seen this one before.

elgreco · 22/08/2023 20:29

It's nearly always fully adult males who campaign for the reduction of the age of consent, not mothers or children. Wonder why?

Helleofabore · 22/08/2023 20:36

Oh yes pencils, isn’t wonderful that Peter, a male activist for LGBT people also activates so heavily for all children to access porn for education (do you know he tells teenaged females how great an education porn is to learn what sex is all about!!) that adults having sex with children is just an unfortunate theme that keeps being brought up. How much bad luck does he have that there is so many instances of him giving support to that theme directly or indirectly!

Maybe, just perhaps, so much content recently is to bury past statements so down the search results that it fades from view and he can deny it all.

JanesLittleGirl · 22/08/2023 20:47

Isn't it fortunate that Peter Tatchell is a 'National Treasure'? It would be horrible and unfair if he was compared to Rolf Harris, Garry Glitter or Jimmy Saville.

DworkinWasRight · 22/08/2023 20:53

Hellofabore I hadn’t seen that letter before - where did you find it?

Helleofabore · 22/08/2023 21:03

DworkinWasRight · 22/08/2023 20:53

Hellofabore I hadn’t seen that letter before - where did you find it?

I have been searching for it on and off for months. I remember reading it a couple of years ago, and remembered the incident but not the specifics. So, after this latest, I searched anew and persisted until I found the name of the woman (girl at the time) who this happened to and then searched with Tatchell’s name. I either discovered it on a MN thread in general and looked it up once or I found it linked on twitter once. Either way, I knew he had said this.

it was a letter published in the Independent. And it simply reinforces that he has no concept of children’s boundaries despite his many assertions lately that he understands. No. He doesn’t. I reckon he probably has forgotten just how many instances he has supported this theme, as I said, directly or indirectly.

His bad luck is that so many people have receipts. I am constantly amazed to see him on media platforms as a panelist.

lechiffre55 · 22/08/2023 21:23

@Helleofabore
Although her marriage may be unlawful, there is no evidence that Sarah was coerced into, or harmed by, the relationship with Musa Komaegae.

This really displays the mindset to me "no evidence" of harmful conduct. Like it necessary to prove harmful conduct when the marriage is illegal to start with. The illegal marriage is harmful conduct right from the start. There is no need to provide extra evidence, that is all the evidence that is necessary. There is a presumption of innocence, and a request for more evidence from Tatchell when we already consider this a crime because it is abuse.

There's a second phrase in there that I again think shows off more than Tatchell intends, "her marriage" not their marriage, or his marriage to her the victim, but "her marriage", like she's the one responsible, she's the perpetrator. Consider the few words afterwards, "her marriage may be unlawful" they way unlawful come just after putting the onus on her really does make me think the author places all the blame squarely on her. She did this illegal thing, she's responsible. When the law is broken and she's the victim, in the words above she stands alone in the dock, he is nothing to do with breaking the law.

I think when I really pay close attention to his words and how they are placed, I get to see what he really thinks inside. I get a strong feeling that Tatchell is not fond of women or girls at all.

lechiffre55 · 22/08/2023 21:28

A different human with a different brain might have written :
Although marrying her may have been unlawful.
This doesn't frame her as the abuser but the abused. The roles are instead reversed.

Helleofabore · 22/08/2023 21:29

lechiffre55 · 22/08/2023 21:23

@Helleofabore
Although her marriage may be unlawful, there is no evidence that Sarah was coerced into, or harmed by, the relationship with Musa Komaegae.

This really displays the mindset to me "no evidence" of harmful conduct. Like it necessary to prove harmful conduct when the marriage is illegal to start with. The illegal marriage is harmful conduct right from the start. There is no need to provide extra evidence, that is all the evidence that is necessary. There is a presumption of innocence, and a request for more evidence from Tatchell when we already consider this a crime because it is abuse.

There's a second phrase in there that I again think shows off more than Tatchell intends, "her marriage" not their marriage, or his marriage to her the victim, but "her marriage", like she's the one responsible, she's the perpetrator. Consider the few words afterwards, "her marriage may be unlawful" they way unlawful come just after putting the onus on her really does make me think the author places all the blame squarely on her. She did this illegal thing, she's responsible. When the law is broken and she's the victim, in the words above she stands alone in the dock, he is nothing to do with breaking the law.

I think when I really pay close attention to his words and how they are placed, I get to see what he really thinks inside. I get a strong feeling that Tatchell is not fond of women or girls at all.

I fully agree lechiffre. It is something that I have noticed with other things he has written.

I am not sure that anyone would say that Peter Tatchell is a women and girl's rights supporter after they have read through what he is written. It is also like he cannot conceive of what life is like for a girl or a woman. He simply seems to have had the bad luck to never have had to consider our lives at all...