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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Woman is a verb

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Timetochangegonzo · 18/08/2023 00:12

https://x.com/berni_carpenter/status/1682871384878481408?s=46&t=qPSO_-q1sIqOx3uTtKrWbA

To be a woman isn’t a thing. It’s a verb. This made me feel sick

https://x.com/berni_carpenter/status/1682871384878481408?s=46&t=qPSO_-q1sIqOx3uTtKrWbA

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IcakethereforeIam · 18/08/2023 00:38

I think it lost me. I'll try again after I've slept.

WarriorN · 18/08/2023 02:28

Is it fuck. That's not what they're learning in spag Ffs.

PriOn1 · 18/08/2023 03:33

And that’s why intelligent people dismiss Butler as incoherent.

Butler is a fraud and people who pretend to understand are exactly the same as those who claim they genuinely believe that some men are women.

GarlicGrace · 18/08/2023 04:11

The supporting quote doesn't actually say that. though. I could easily believe Butler did say it, but she didn't say it here.

She's absolutely right that gender is not an underlying essence or nature of which gendered behaviour is the product; it is a series of acts whose constant repetition creates the illusion that an underlying nature exists.

Gender is a performance that, due to routine, is often taken as a factual expression of the self.

Then she goes down the batshit route for which she's so renowned: She stressed, however, that individuals do not exist prior to or independently of the genders they “perform”.

Er, what the fuck?!? So your daughter, in the very first months of her life - and during gestation - before well-intentioned adults have had a chance to teach her the expected "girl" behaviours, did not exist 🤣🤣

Butler contended, somewhat paradoxically, that not only gender but sex itself—the fact of being biologically male or female—is “to some degree” a performative social construct. Sex is performatively constructed in the sense that it represents an essentially arbitrary distinction between individuals

She goes on to consider a norm of sexual desire based on an artificial association between biological sex and gender, which I would agree with in general, though not in Butler's sense of socially coerced sexual orientation.

Post-modernist philosophy's supposed to be a massive great thought experiment, designed to provoke questions about the nature of perceived reality and our personal roles in creating it. I'm still having difficulty coming to terms with the fact that the 21st Century has decided to take it all as a canonical statement of fact.

Its core question is "Are there any facts, actually?" so trying to build a society, legal structure, economy, political system, etc on post-modern philosophy is like trying to build a flyover on pillars made of fog. Idiots like the one you linked find it all magically mysterious, so they think it means everything is anything they want it to be.

Anyway, the tweet has 95 views and no likes 🤣

Judith Butler | Biography, Gender Trouble, & Facts

Judith Butler, American academic whose theories of the performative nature of gender and sex were influential within Francocentric philosophy, cultural theory, queer theory, and some schools of philosophical feminism from the late 20th century. Her bes...

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Judith-Butler

GarlicGrace · 18/08/2023 04:19

Italics fail on the middle quote, and I missed out my comment on that. Nevermindeh, you're bright enough to work it out for yourselves!

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/08/2023 04:50

I think I am a woman. I was a girl until puberty happened. Then I did the whole breast growing, egg producing, womb maintenance, building a person stuff.

I didn't do it well. But then I haven't done the cleaning, ironing, wearing frocks and heeled shoe thing weĺl. I'm not particularly kind, and swear like a motherfucking hoorbag. I have hit more than one person.

Am I a Not Woman or a just a really Shit Woman?

Sadless · 18/08/2023 06:38

I am a women I have delivered 4 children from my womb and don't have a prostate.
My son who's a boy identifys as a table on school register because he thought the question what he identifys as is a stupid question.

GarlicGrace · 18/08/2023 06:42

That's brilliant, @Sadless 😂 Go DS!

Grammarnut · 18/08/2023 08:13

Sadless · 18/08/2023 06:38

I am a women I have delivered 4 children from my womb and don't have a prostate.
My son who's a boy identifys as a table on school register because he thought the question what he identifys as is a stupid question.

Sensible lad.

IcakethereforeIam · 18/08/2023 09:48

I think Pratchett in one of his books said something about Gods and belief and tables. Gods wouldn't exists without belief, if they existed they wouldn't need belief, it would be like believing in tables. Iirc.

That Butler nonsense, @GarlicGrace thank you. That's how I interpreted it. She talks such a lot of wank.

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