Nancy Kelly (Stonewall) responds to Labour's u-turn on self ID

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Quite an interesting tweet from Nancy Kelly, as she is probably privy to information that has informed Labour's change of heart.
She blames the Labour Party's attitude to Northerners it seems they view as particularly against gender ideology and Labour hopes to win them back.
She conveniently merges homophobia with the backlash against trans ideology, easier to find an open homophobe in London than in my hometown of Grimsby -that may be true I don't know, but I bet a lot of women in Grimsby are against transing children and for women only sport etc. The law changes were nothing to do with the LGB and all about the T.

Her quote in full:

The political class in Westminster typically holds hard to the belief that homophobic, biphobic and transphobic policy and dogwhistles win them votes in the North.
It's a belief based on class prejudice, not data. London is *dramatically more religious than other parts of the UK, and this makes a huge difference in attitudes to LGBTQ+ communities. Easier to find an open homophobe in London than in my hometown of Grimsby these days.

Amongst the politicos who understand this, a more depressing set of factors are at play, ones which do implicate the electorate. LGBTQ+ rights are a "low salience" issue for the vast majority of voters.

Which is to say, most voters who think that both Labour and Conservative policies and rhetoric on trans rights are wrong, will still vote Lab/Con because of other issues they view as much more important.This behaviour frees up parties to take the risk of pandering to the minority of voters for whom trans rights are very high salience. Transphobic voters, and voters radicalised by the endless firehouse of transphobic UK press.
And that's on all of us. If we don't make it crystal clear that inclusive policies upholding international human rights standards are *essential to getting our vote, then political parties are free to flirt with or openly adopt the politics of exclusion and "culture wars". So (emoji -what can you do?)

https://twitter.com/Nancy_M_K

Isn't she unemployable unemployed at the moment ?

Oh, do go away, Nancy.

Bless her, she's trying to stay relevant.

And the first thing you always have to say to anyone in the grip of this faith:
can you define all the words you're using please, because you use words like Humpty Dumpty which precludes any shared meaning or making sense of anything you have to say.

What's a 'homophobe', Nance?

Because someone who calls lesbians sexual racists for not doing men is a pretty good definition to me.

I hope Andrew Neil invites her on to go through all this

Oh Nancy!

I'm not radicalised. But you are. And if I'm now by your definition radicalized then you yourself would have to look inward for the reason as to why that might be so because my opinions and belief on reality are what they have always been.

You know in all the times through my life when the L and the G and the B were fighting for equality and for the right to be able to marry the person they wanted despite being of the same sex not once did I feel that my life or rights was going to be in anyway negatively impinged on by those rights being granted. I also didn't think what they were fighting for damaged children in any way.

The T and what comes after it (not sure on this week's agreed letter and maths symbol arrangement) fundamentally pits the rights you are fighting for to be enshrined in law against my rights as a woman and the rights of children not to be forced/indoctrinated into something that could seriously impact their quality of life as an adult.

I oppose that not because I am any of the phobics you throw out as insults nor is it based on where I from.

The inclusive policies you fight for in their current form are dangerous and not inclusive of the rest of the population.

Was she assigned Northern at birth, or does she just identify as such?

ref: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-are-emotional-except-in-the-aggressive-north-says-therapists-body-3vs6jk0d6

London is *dramatically more religious than other parts of the UK, and this makes a huge difference in attitudes to LGBTQ+ communities

i don't think that remark is totally accurate. The census shows that London has more people with religions other than Christianity (mainly because it's more ethnically diverse) https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021 but it's not 'dramatically more religious'.

Nancy might be purest of them all when it comes to homophobia and transphobia, but that remark comes across as discriminatory on the grounds of religion and even borderline racist, given the close connection between ethnic and religious identity.

Absolutely 💯 agree 👏👏👏

Still with the forced teaming. She can't help herself.

I think she tells on herself when she mentions trans but then almost immediately segues into homophobia - she knows they're not connected but that accusations of the latter work better as a stick.

Nancy's battle for relevance trundles ever onwards.

Any woman who isn't GC isn't keeping up.

You just need to grab a whippet, take up pigeon fancying, dress like Compo from Last of The Summer Wine and start leaning over fences saying things like "There's rain in them there 'ills, thee teks me word fer it".

There, no need to be assigned anything. You can just identify into it through the use of stereotypes.

The political class in Westminster typically holds hard to the belief that homophobic, biphobic and transphobic policy and dogwhistles win them votes in the North.

Trans ideologists never cease to show themselves up by using words like homophobia.

There's nothing more homophobic than making lesbians do dick, Nancy. And calling homosexuality an outdated medical term, of course.

All these misogynists fondly imagining they're taking the moral high ground!

I don’t think you can compare london and Grimsby. London’s population is a huge multiple of Grimsby and there is a wider variety of religions practiced, so yes it might be more likely to find a homophobe in london but that is a. Because there are many many many more people b. It is massively more multicultural and multi religion

This is so true.

It is why I am not believing that labour has done anything more than use different words than before but has seemingly ‘changed course’. And Stella Creasy declaring ‘legal’ female supports that they have devised the words (probably through research focus groups) that leave people thinking what they want to think while Labour will simply keep on going on with their policies.

I'm just contemplating the suggestion that religion = homophobia.

If we don't make it crystal clear that inclusive policies upholding international human rights standards are essential to getting our vote, then political parties are free to flirt with or openly adopt the politics of exclusion and "culture wars". So (emoji -what can you do?)*

We can remember that women have human rights too Nancy.

London is dramatically more religious than other parts of the UK, and this makes a huge difference in attitudes to LGBTQ+ communities*

The C of E is, as I understand it, very welcoming and accepting of gay and lesbian people, no?

So, which religions does she mean?

And this is what was it Baroness Faulkner or Kemi Badenoch was talking about? The Equality act covers more than just the one characteristic.

Ah Kelly.

Presided over the spitting out of all homosexuals who wanted to be homosexual when she turned LGBT+++ into a political party of anyone of any sexuality committed to alternative reality, queering the universe and critical theory...

but yanks those same rejected homosexuals and bisexuals out of her hat and waves them whenever they are personally useful to her.

The woman has no conscience of any kind.

If I played the identity politics game I might say that her use of religion was almost a dog whistle.

Blurring the T and the rest of the alphabet soup with the LGB is where the problems lie IMO.

LGB is about what sex you are attracted to. You are a particular sex and find others of the same or opposite or both sexually attractive. The T and the alphabet soup is a gender ideology whereby the belief is that you can change your sex (YOU CAN'T). The flux of how someone 'feels' is often based on stereotypical gender ideas and so 'hey little girl you want to play with cars then you must be a boy' crap which I thought we had moved away from. Years ago people would have the same issues of feeling confused at puberty etc. Now some are pushed into believing they are in the 'wrong body' nope, they aren't, they may feel that they don't conform to what society might say a man or a woman looks like/behaves like etc but it's their body.

Chuck in the sexual deviants and men who fetish dressing like a woman and then hide away under the Pride flag and it's no wonder many people who are LGB are moving away from the T and the alphabet soup.

Then there's social contagion and it's fashionable as a young person in school to say they feel like the opposite sex or gender neutral because they get lots of attention and can dictate to others how they should be referred to and using of pronouns/names/ and wo betide anyone who messes up and commits the cardinal sex of misgendering them. There seems to be narcissists and other self obsessed people using that too.

It's a mess. Fortunately some are realising the damage done recently and speaking out. The handmaidens and the ones who feel they are so forward thinking joining in with the pronoun stuff/ allowing men in women's changing areas and being blind to men who use that for their own ends are still suffering from woke fog and might actually use some critical thinking skills about why women and girls don't feel comfortable with men in changing rooms etc (or one day they might).

"The political class in Westminster"

I am so bloody sick of people who are in positions of power trying to portray themselves as marginalized outsiders. She was head of one of the most powerful lobbying organizations in the country that held away over those political classes and just annoyed as she has lost a bit of influence.

Good point. Here's what it meant to be a marginalised outsider under Kelley's term at Stonewall:

Boris Johnson’s senior advisers are ‘letting Stonewall dictate trans policies’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/60f9f704-43ff-11ec-90b4-dd43226240e0?shareToken=9933a9e02cc01c1b83ce860fe1dd5845