How much do you think trans issues will impact the election outcome?

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I have seen it posted a lot here that people are voting on the trans issue and feel that the Conservative party are the party that most aligns with their views on this.

However, I don't get the feeling that is a vote decider for most people no matter where they stand on the issue. Do you think it will have an impact on the way most people vote?

What I think is that Labour will win but their majority might be slightly smaller than it otherwise would have been due to this. What do you think?

Kemi Badenoch is MP for Saffron Walden - very comfortable majority, Miriam Cates in Pennistone has less of a majority

"They ejected lots of women from the party. " is not true.

Women may have chosen to resign; they were not thrown out of the party on this issue.

I think there’s potential for it to be used by the Conservatives as one of the things that make Labour look both authoritarian and out of touch, along with issues like bank accounts and sex education.

Sunak did well to proclaim his belief that a woman is an adult human female and not get drawn into a messy debate. It makes me wonder how they will deploy the Starmer penis/cervix comments closer to the election.

The Daily Mail has harped on the Farage bank story - which I can’t help feeling has quite a broad reach- and they keep up a steady drip of gender madness stories as well. I think some of the dangers to children of gender ideology are starting to get through, and people who are under pressure financially will be open to wondering why Labour is messing about trying to control people’s thinking instead of talking about actual policies.

i don’t think the GC vote alone will swing much, but gender issues as part of a bigger picture - who knows.

Karen Ingala Smith was barred entry from the Labour Party for her views. https://kareningalasmith.com/2020/06/27/why-i-was-rejected-for-labour-party-membership-and-my-response/

But we don't know if they did or didn't. IIRC the report (led by Miliband?) on the post-Corbyn loss of the 2019 election didn't address this at all. And they're not likely to volunteer this data so we just don't know either way, and probably never will.

I think realistically only about 0.00001% if the population think trans issues are actual issues.
There are far more important issues in this country then bloody trans stuff.

Lots of people, including the 3 people eligible to vote in my household, disagree with you I'm afraid.

its about women who are 51% of the population being legally redefined to mean “adult human female plus men with lady feelings”
meaning that at a stroke every single sex space, programe to support women & any ability to quantify the impact of policy on for women disappears

women are not a costume for entitled men to put on

If any of my local candidates stands on a pro woman ticket I am highly likely to vote for them, as is my dd. DH not so much.

There is a far higher percentage than that of people who identify as trans so you seem to have discounted all of them and their bloody stuff too!

Once you tell women that they are being erased as a sex class , they'll notice. Might not prioritise but they'll notice. And Labour has not confirmed that single sex means single biological sex.

Labour wins if it gets the vote out. If women don't show up in enough numbers, Labour doesn't win

It's the only thing Labour is still weak on.

It's a deal breaker for me - in the last election I spoiled my vote for the first time ever, as all the left-wing parties were TWAW, and I won't vote tory.

But I'm sure I'm in a tiny minority.

*"They ejected lots of women from the party. " is not true.

Women may have chosen to resign; they were not thrown out of the party on this issue.*

How about 'women were levered out '?

Thinking about this, this is only a big enough issue to vote om for a small percentage of people. And the opinions of those people are divided. Some people feel as strongly about this as any GC person have the opposing view so perhaps the two groups will almost cancel each other out.

whitewave · Today 16:40
The election will be won on a couple of issues. First the economy, and then health, and rather depressingly migration.
gender issues are not something the average punter gets wound up about.

You are probably right but there are more people scattered around who are concerned about this, and what is being taught in schools in pshe, than may be realised. This will make some sort of difference to the outcome.

I suspect that many women will be asking the questions on the door step. The message will be getting back to party leadership that this is an issue that is being raised. Doing this will have an effect.

I suspect it already has done in the three seats that had elections recently and from what we have seen this week. Women were out there discussing it with people and leafletting in those three seats. so it will have been brought up on door steps more and more.

Now Starmer is lying about protecting women's spaces and adult females, it'll attract the election a bit less.

Really hard to know op

Look at what happened at last election, an issue reared its head for Labour - antisemitism. I doubt they had that polling high beforehand

On CoL and green issues Labour are a bit mixed up, eg with the ULEZ bit scrambling with Khan on cost for people

Immigration may be a factor but depends if people just vote reform as a protest

Hard to call at this point

Plus I was listening to a focus group thing on Times radio, the level of political engagement can be pretty low

"we didn't throw them out!" <unspoken>We just made sure we destroyed their credibility to the point it was impossible for them to be effective so their only choice was capitulation, public failure or leaving.</unspoken>

Ah, the familiar mantra of sexism.

It has been said before and needs to be said every page.

If labour didn’t think this was an influential issue, why did they make this announcement now?

Or have they realized that people are not fools and that if a PM cannot say what a female human is, they cannot be trusted on any other issue. And that they appear to support ideological thinking lacking in scientific evidence.

And that Lisa Nandy ‘a male rapist should be put into a female prison/ I’ve been influenced by activists’ should understand that she is one of the least to be trusted at all.

”Now Nandy has “rowed back”, saying she was unduly swayed by young activists in her campaign team.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b5a6df40-2d70-11ee-aede-28bc53acbdb8?shareToken=463658bee75ab918efe6b0320e42aad3

It is remarkable isn’t it?

Lack of pushback on MPs abusing a female MP who has been clear in her prioritisation of sex where sex matters… ‘well, at least they didn’t throw them out!’

Not allowing groups that prioritised sex over gender to hold stalls at conference….. ‘well, at least they didn’t throw them out!’

Not even allowing women’s groups to present their views at committees or at strategy sessions… ‘well, at least they didn’t throw them out!’

This seems like a play on specifics to avoid admitting the reality. The Labour Party made it actively clear that women’s views on this unwelcome in the party. There was NO listening to all. There was a closed shop to strategy and the constant reinforcement of Stonewall objectives. The leaders in the Labour Party were very clear about it.

To say ‘they were not thrown out of the party on this issue’, is just continuing the fuckwittery.

Yep if it was such a non issue why such an obviously craven about-face.

They know it could blow up in their faces. Not that they wanted to listen or even hear anything, they denied our voices existed at all. ‘No one is talking about it’

Whatever our views, I don't think it will decide which party someone votes for hardly at all.

The NHS being on its knees, mortgage rates and the cost of living are more likely to be the main things that decide the election, and in Scotland how the SNP are seen.

"Don't vote Labour because they don't know what a woman is and yes, I know they don't support self-ID any more but three years ago they did and yes I know that we Tories did exactly the same thing and your mum's been waiting two years for her operation and you can't afford to go on holiday any more but look at what Keir Starmer once said a year ago..."

Can't see that working on the doorstep.

HPFA . Today 09:12

“ I know they don't support self-ID any more”

They do but just in a less blatant form, I think.

They have made it seem as though they do not, while at the same time the proposed policy would still make it so much easier to get one, that in fact it would work out as being a form of self -ID.

Just send an email to Gender GP.

The GRA 2004 was predicated on only very very few transsexuals having one. There would not be very few people with a GRC with a one doctor rule.

Meanwhile, without amending the EA, ( to say GRCs cannot trump sex) or new laws to allow discrimination so as to protect all sex based spaces, services, sports, associations etc women and girls will feel the effects in harmful ways.