First “out trans player” at Women’s World Cup

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66299441

I just don’t get it. It’s a woman playing in the World Cup, the Women’s World Cup and they’re non-binary which just means they go by they/them and don’t identify as a woman and this is a celebration? Anyone to question it is closed minded? Didn’t people used to get recognised for achieving something or at least for overcoming actual obstacles.

honestly, Quinn is doing nothing wrong. I find non-binary a nonsense too but I can’t get worked up about someone wanting to identify that way as long as they do not think that magically entitles them to opposite sex spaces/awards etc.

Of course Quinn is doing nothing wrong. Equally she is doing nothing special. She’s a woman with short hair playing women’s football with other women with short hair but somehow her personality and inner feelz marks her out for special attention by the press.

All the amazing women at the women’s World Cup doing amazing things to inspire young girls to achieve great things as women, but the BBC turns its attention to a woman who is trying to escape being a woman. Ridiculous.

But if non-binary (AFAB) people are allowed go play in the women’s category, how do you then defend said category against non-binary (AMAB) interlopers?

Quinn is a Trojan horse - first we let Quinn stay on the team, then Quinn insists the team is renamed to be more inclusive, so it becomes the ‘Women and Enby World Cup’ and the next thing you know you have men like the Canadian Rugby fella-with-non-fella-feelz and the Gaelic Football fella-with-non-fella feelz and the women, the actual women, are squeezed out or their safety is at risk.

Quinn should be allowed to participate because Quinn is a biological female and all them’s messing about with language isn’t benign.

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I completely agree that sport should be separated by sex however trans activists disagree and people like Quinn seem to also support transwomen competing in women’s sports. So from their POV how do they justify someone who doesn’t identify as a woman competing in the women’s competition? You would think that would be uncomfortable for their gender dysphoria but I suspect they’ll use all the references to women as evidence for what a victim they are and how they have to fight to make language etc more inclusive.

Yeah that's a good one. 😁

True. They is competing in the Women's World Cup, with and against women - but they is not a woman.

good on them for being themselves and playing sport at an elite level, don’t see the issue here at all

Why do we need to especially celebrate this one woman in the women's World Cup?

Fucking misgendering, already. And you an adherent to the cause.

Fuck me if you cant get it right within a forum where you have time galore to type, how are we supposed to manage in real world situations with angry people.

Yes, it’s completely regressive and gives the impression women sit around filing their nails and tittering inanely about their favourite dinner service while Quinn strides out into the world doing ‘manly things’. What Quinn doesn’t realise is that we threw those idiotic stereotypes out years ago and all Quinn and her ilk are doing is bringing them back again.

Non-binary - for those who either don’t have the imagination to conceive a world where men wear make up, women are astronauts, etc, etc, or are too afraid to be GNC without a silly label.

Everyone’s ‘non-binary’. Nobody fulfills 100% of the stereotypes associated with their sex. We just think it’s so obvious, we don’t mention it and that the stereotypes are silly anyway so who gives a crap which ones we fulfil or don’t fulfil. All this navel-gazing idiocy is self-indulgent twaddle.

Reminding me of Dave Chappelle: "I know that trans people make up words to win arguments".

This would only be newsworthy if this individual was playing in the men's competition. And we all know that never in a month of Sundays will that ever ever ever happen.

A non feminine woman is in the women's team. Big deal! There are scores of equally non feminine women there.

It's reminding me of when Kate Middleton had one of her babies and all the newspapers had more-or-less gushing headlines about it, and Private Eye just had 'Woman Has Baby'. (I think I'm remembering that right!)

The headline here is 'Woman Plays Football*'.

*yes, I know she doesn't call her self one. But she is one.

Yes, but remember all the press excitement about “the first man to give birth to a baby” a few years ago? Yes it was Freddie McConnell. “Woman gives birth to baby” wouldn’t have made any headlines.

Didn’t see rhywlodes’ comment in time! Good old Private Eye.

It’s still a first thought isn’t it. Even if you don’t like the trans movement. It’s no different from when Fashanu was the first out male player.

Except we are “supposedly” a more tolerant society now.

It’s still a first thought isn’t it. Even if you don’t like the trans movement. It’s no different from when Fashanu was the first out male player.

No it isn't. Unless you think gay is just an identity label.

I mean, yes it is different from a gay man bravely coming out in a homophobic environment.

No it’s not a thing! Quinn is a woman playing on a woman’s team. Quinn might they is super duper special but they’re not. All Quinn is doing is reinforcing the Gender binary while insisting that they’re not like the other girls

its nothing like the genuine bravery of Justin fashanu.

It makes more sense if you think of non-binary as "neuter." So without secondary sexual characteristics.

In a lot of cases I suspect what these people are really searching for is a return to childhood.

They're playing in the women's world Cup so they must be able to bravely push aside their non binary status and deal with the trauma of recognising they are a woman when it suits. The bit that's galling is that there are all sorts of incredible women playing in this tournament of whom have overcome amazing things to get where they are, yet someone who believes their pronouns to be super important is the one getting attention and cries of 'historic'.

No, it isn’t. Only in Quinn’s mind. Non-binary can mean anything and there’s nothing special or different about Quinn. it’s like identifying as Mood Non-binary and effusively explaining you’re sometimes happy and sometimes sad, like it’s something special when, in fact, that applies to us all, we just don’t feel the need to announce it.

Anyone can call themselves NB. Anyone can call themselves whatever gender identity they want, so there’s ample opportunity to be First Maverique, First Demiboy, First Otherkin, etc etc etc. Easy pickings!

In the Australia Vs Nigeria game, the commentators said that one of the Nigeria players trains with her club team in the morning and then spends the afternoon at a paediatric hospital researching childhood leukaemia. Other players run sport programmes for disadvantaged kids. Some players have medical degrees, some are engineers, musicians, systems analysts. One Manchester United player (not at the World Cup) is a hod carrier and works alongside men on building sites.

Every single one of this generation of European, Asian, Antipodean, African and South American women has had to fight just to be able to play the game. Many don't even get paid - £11,000 a year is the worldwide average salary for women footballers.

In that company, there is absolutely nothing special about Quinn. She can take her patronising advice about practising pronouns and stick it.

I wonder how non-binary Quinn’s salary and prize money are.

No doubt the Canadian football authorities know what a woman is when it comes to handing those out.

Well said, @BellaAmorosa. 👏