How can we prevent the trans issue from being a gift to the right wing?

[TheTERFnextDoor]

I'm really worried about the direction politics is taking, not only in the UK but globally. The right wing is on the rise almost everywhere for various reasons.

Sadly, the gender debate will undoubtedly be a gift to the right wing over the next few years. It's the Tories ace card at the next election; the left as they are at the moment can't win this debate.

What can we practically do to prevent this? I have tried speaking to my local Mp (Labour), and he basically told me to "be kind".

There's now a parallel discussion going on as someone started a thread based on the Labour policy position as published by the Guardian - not one but twice!

So? Why does this bother you so much @IwantToRetire ? You seem to thoroughly enjoy policing this Board, if it's not the number of threads or duplicates or how they are titled, it's your perception of the tone posters use when posting, if not that then posters swearing, if not that then the way posters set out their arguments or comments, and now it is posters posting screenshots of Tweets.

We are adults on here, we are not in class, we are not sitting an exam we do not need or want to be taught how we should be interacting on this Board.

You seem to thoroughly enjoy policing this Board

Since when does sharing information, which others have done, when two threads are discussing the same issue. I haven't for instance, as other have done, said everyone should more to one thread or another.

Why not have a little rest, and stop obsessing about something that only exists in your head. Totally irrational

And if you find me so irritating just skip over my posts.

PS that isn't an order just a suggestion. Hope you get a good night's sleep you obviously need it.

She got back in a few weeks ago.

“Men dont want the public or the state to recognise their gender, they want everyone to ignore their sex. And these two acts allow that.
^^
Trying to introduce self id didnt cause the problem, it highlighted the problem.”

This is such an insightful observation.

Gosh, she's a glutton for punishment!

"lobbying against women's sexual freedoms." you actually meant men's, right? otherwise you're not making a whole lot of sense

I agree
The point of my post is that the conservatives are culpable in this mess too and people thinking they are somehow the best option because "they know what a woman is" are delusional.

At the moment neither party is proposing a change, the last time self-ID was mooted as a policy in England it was by the conservatives.

The point of my post is that the conservatives are culpable in this mess too and people thinking they are somehow the best option because "they know what a woman is" are delusional.

At the moment neither party is proposing a change, the last time self-ID was mooted as a policy in England it was by the conservatives.

Yes and as long as the Tories leave us hanging rather than doing anything the more chance they have of winning our voting affections over Labour!

At the moment neither party is proposing a change, the last time self-ID was mooted as a policy in England it was by the conservatives.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66299705

'at the moment' 😂. Why would anyone trust Labour?

Starmer is on a journey.
You could say, Labour pains.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001p1nw

Discussion on this topic with Rosie Duffield. The introduction is hilarious.

The amount of $ trans related medical treatments generate as a proportion of the pharma/medical industry is tiny.

I find the GC feminism is an alt-right gateway drug argument much more compelling.

I find my analysis more interesting. I guess we have nothing to talk about if you consider GC is gateway to the Alt Right. It's totally lazy thinking.

Transhumanism is looking to make the whole of humanity dependent on medical and surgical procedures. Forcing trans upon the population is the Trojan Horse for this.

$ tens of millions now = $ hundreds of billions in just a few decades time.

Alt right gateway drug to what?

T-shirts with dictionary definitions?

Ooh, edgy.

GC feminism is an alt-right gateway drug

😂

Whether you vote for Blue Davos, Red Davos or Yellow Davos, in the end you will still get the policies of Davos.

It's time for change. Vote against LibLabCon.

If "the trans issue is a gift to the right wing" then it's up to the left-leaning side to prevent it from happening. You really can't blame the other side for cheerfully using a fine big weapon when it's handed to them! If the leaders of the left aren't willing to face the possibility of a fight within their camp (and I think that's what the main problem is, as they see it) then they'll lose public support over this question.

Whether an internal fight would really cause harm to Labour in Britain, or the Democrats in America, is unclear. But in both places the leaders are clearly not willing to say "If trans rights diminish women's rights, then women definitely have priority", and face the consequences that follow.

This shit again.
So who am I voting for then?

Yep, voting for Laurence Fox or Richard Tice will make all the difference.

Why would anyone trust the conservatives?

Why would anyone trust any of them?

Honestly, is there any group of politicians anywhere at this point, that you could point to and say 'trustworthy, integrity, honesty, grip on reality, competence, real world experience, capacity to listen and learn as opposed to download personal hobbyhorses/set to receive as well as broadcast, could actually speak to a room as in genuinely speak as opposed to read pre written bumph from a SPAD that says nothing, and answer questions with knowledge and understanding'?

The entire political class is an unholy mess. Professional politicians is a bloody awful idea. But at the moment it's picking the least dangerous out of a really awful field, it's not who you want, it's who is likely to do the least damage for five years while we hope to God something better rises from the ashes.

Why would anyone trust the conservatives?

Apart from the fact that they at least seem to have some grasp on biological realities? as opposed to Labour and the LibDems both of whose leaders have said with straight faces that some women have penises?

The fake left has spent five years telling women that they're bigots and fascist-adjacent but if this does actually drive some women into the arms of the right, you don't like that either?

Because we trust Labour and the other left shower LDs and Greens as far worse.

The Tories are the most successful political party in history because of one thing above all. Their ability to divine what the people want. And pull out all the stops to provide it.

Thatcher in 1979. Johnson in 2019.
I'd call Blair a conservative, so much in tune was he when he put his pitch to Brits in the mid-90s.

Starmer? He has no idea, he's a pure weathervane, not even good with a soundbyte.

He gets in purely because the Tories forgot their own winning tactic.

It's likely going to be down to Badenoch or Cates who reconnects Toryism to Brits aspirations, in the middle of Starmer's melt down in 2025/26.

I can truly see the gender wars being a kind of Brexit 2.0 in the next 4-5 years. Only Badenoch or Cates can get the desired outcome.